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Why don't you post much?  You can clarify your answers in the thread if you wish.

I only really want to lurk (i.e. read but not post).
6 (6.3%)
I haven't found a topic that interests me enough to post
6 (6.3%)
I don't feel that I have much to contribute
42 (44.2%)
The debate gets too "heated" for me to want to post
12 (12.6%)
I don't feel welcome enough to post
11 (11.6%)
I'm new here and haven't had the chance to yet
2 (2.1%)
It's too confusing
3 (3.2%)
Other (please clarify)
13 (13.7%)

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2008, 05:41:53 AM »
I should probably pick a little bit of all of the above, but this comment struck a chord.  I'm finding this forum to be the place to go if you want something to complain about.  It never ceases to amaze me that even the most innocuous post will  attract at least one person who MUST find something to complain about.  Its rather disheartening. 

It is rather unfortunate.  I still think we need to have users start threads on simpler subjects, or on subjects of Christian life - and then you'll see more of the users who want nothing to do with Politics or theological debate participate and feel more comfortable.

well -- the one that comes to mind is the nice little post announcing the first Orthodox homeschool conference - I don't think we got to 5 posts before someone had to find something wrong with it.  :-\ 

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »
Nothing to stop you from continuing the topic.

Actually, I think there is something from stopping us from continuing.
Often times, I have been interested in dicussing a topic, and the discussion has gone quite well for a few posts, then someone makes a post which is contraversial which takes the thread in a different direction on the same topic. Trying to continue the original discussion becomes futile, and in some instances, causes more outraged posts. My greater investment lies with relationships rather than the topic I'd like to discuss, and so I give up on the topic rather than risk bad blood. This is what stops me from continuing, and it's a shame because it means that many topics end up being dominated by people who shout the loudest.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2008, 08:47:34 AM »
Or over moderate.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2008, 10:30:49 AM »
Geek Orthodox--That's me!  :D

Are you uber Geek Orthodox if you've been on online forums since modems were 300 baud?


No.  I think that would make you an Old Modem-ist Orthodox.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2008, 08:26:59 PM »
Geek Orthodox--That's me!  :D

Are you uber Geek Orthodox if you've been on online forums since modems were 300 baud?


and 'forums' were BBS's  :-[

Yes!  Someone else who remembers the good ol' BBS's!  (They seem so ancient now, but our local one didn't die until around 2000.)
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« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2008, 08:27:58 PM »
Geek Orthodox--That's me!  :D

Are you uber Geek Orthodox if you've been on online forums since modems were 300 baud?


No.  I think that would make you an Old Modem-ist Orthodox.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2008, 09:55:06 PM »
Geek Orthodox--That's me!  :D

Are you uber Geek Orthodox if you've been on online forums since modems were 300 baud?


and 'forums' were BBS's  :-[

Yes!  Someone else who remembers the good ol' BBS's!  (They seem so ancient now, but our local one didn't die until around 2000.)


I met my husband on a BBS.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2008, 10:14:53 PM »
I don't feel that I have much to contribute really. Usually when I get on, there are plenty of posts and mostly what I wanted to say has already been said, but I read a lot of the posts and I will post every once in a while.

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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2008, 10:15:33 PM »
I met a boyfriend on a BBS, shortly before I met my hubby.  :)
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2008, 09:29:17 AM »
A new topic has been started based on the desire of some users to have more diverse (and less theology-debate) subjects on OC.net.

"Topics we should have on OC.net"
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,18441.0.html
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2014, 12:04:59 AM »
Nothing to stop you from continuing the topic.

Actually, I think there is something from stopping us from continuing.
Often times, I have been interested in dicussing a topic, and the discussion has gone quite well for a few posts, then someone makes a post which is contraversial which takes the thread in a different direction on the same topic. Trying to continue the original discussion becomes futile, and in some instances, causes more outraged posts. My greater investment lies with relationships rather than the topic I'd like to discuss, and so I give up on the topic rather than risk bad blood. This is what stops me from continuing, and it's a shame because it means that many topics end up being dominated by people who shout the loudest.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2014, 11:08:32 AM »

As if the mosquitoes weren't bad enough...now there are bugs crawling on the computer screen. 

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2014, 09:38:43 AM »
Other:

It's a mix of things:

This last year and probably for the at least the next year - taking care of serious family needs - so time has been a huge issue.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to really contribute in the debates - though I do read as many of them as I am able and do learn a lot from them.  If I have something that might actually help somewhere I will post - but that's a rare thing.

Once I've posted something that might be of some help, then I really struggle with the pride thing.  It kicks my tail from here to Wednesday - so I have to really be very very very careful. . . or I take / steal HIS glory. . .and that crushes my heart.  So. . . I am often too weak to post.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2014, 08:11:25 AM »
I completely forgot that I had posted this poll... nearly 6 years ago!
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« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2014, 08:21:36 AM »
Good morning,  Father,

:)  I'm glad you did.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2014, 01:12:45 PM »
I have been lurking for years...I simply prefer to read. I will post when I can, so long as I have something worthwhile to contribute.
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« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2014, 02:33:49 PM »
I have never had a problem finding things to post about.  :P
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« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2014, 02:36:38 PM »
A new topic has been started based on the desire of some users to have more diverse (and less theology-debate) subjects on OC.net.

"Topics we should have on OC.net"
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,18441.0.html

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« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2014, 02:42:32 PM »
A new topic has been started based on the desire of some users to have more diverse (and less theology-debate) subjects on OC.net.

"Topics we should have on OC.net"
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,18441.0.html

The times sure have changed.
From that thread:

IMO it's good, that the forum is focused on theological or wider - religious issues. If someone looks for opinions about Angelina Jolie or lawnmowers he won't search here ;). I wouldn't like this forum to be cluttered with such junk threads.

Fortunately, we have higher standards and discuss Rachel Weisz instead.  :laugh:
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« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2014, 02:48:56 PM »

IMO it's good, that the forum is focused on theological or wider - religious issues. If someone looks for opinions about Angelina Jolie or lawnmowers he won't search here ;). I wouldn't like this forum to be cluttered with such junk threads.

Fortunately, we have higher standards and discuss Rachel Weisz instead.  :laugh:

True that. But then again, Angelina Jolie is so old nowadays that she probably already moved to a retirement home.
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« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2014, 03:17:37 PM »

IMO it's good, that the forum is focused on theological or wider - religious issues. If someone looks for opinions about Angelina Jolie or lawnmowers he won't search here ;). I wouldn't like this forum to be cluttered with such junk threads.

Fortunately, we have higher standards and discuss Rachel Weisz instead.  :laugh:

True that. But then again, Angelina Jolie is so old nowadays that she probably already moved to a retirement home.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2014, 03:25:31 PM »
A new topic has been started based on the desire of some users to have more diverse (and less theology-debate) subjects on OC.net.

"Topics we should have on OC.net"
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,18441.0.html

The times sure have changed.
From that thread:

IMO it's good, that the forum is focused on theological or wider - religious issues. If someone looks for opinions about Angelina Jolie or lawnmowers he won't search here ;). I wouldn't like this forum to be cluttered with such junk threads.

Fortunately, we have higher standards and discuss Rachel Weisz instead.  :laugh:

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2014, 05:56:53 PM »
I've found that I tend to post in bursts, varying between times of posting a lot for a couple weeks, and then barely even getting on for a few weeks. I also tend to just lurk a lot. I feel like since I'm not Orthodox I don't have much to say on most of the discussions here.
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« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2014, 05:59:19 PM »
I've found that I tend to post in bursts, varying between times of posting a lot for a couple weeks, and then barely even getting on for a few weeks. I also tend to just lurk a lot. I feel like since I'm not Orthodox I don't have much to say on most of the discussions here.
I have 9,700 posts and I don't have much to say either.  That has not stopped me yet from posting stuff though.  :P
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« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2014, 06:56:44 PM »
I didn't participate in the poll because I have posted regularly although I haven't lately. However, I think the forum currently is lacking distribution of current news for comment and discussion. Ex. The Holy Synod of the OCA recently elected to the episcopacy one of the principals connected to its financial scandal, a former Secretary to Metropolitan Theodosios whose primacy fostered the scandal that was resolved in 2008, a priest who to my knowledge hasn't attended an Orthodox seminary, and I haven't seen a thread on this matter. (I didn't write this to initiate discussion in this regard here.)
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« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2014, 06:57:36 PM »
I've found that I tend to post in bursts, varying between times of posting a lot for a couple weeks, and then barely even getting on for a few weeks. I also tend to just lurk a lot. I feel like since I'm not Orthodox I don't have much to say on most of the discussions here.
I have 9,700 posts and I don't have much to say either.  That has not stopped me yet from posting stuff though.  :P

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« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2014, 09:19:12 PM »
I've found that I tend to post in bursts, varying between times of posting a lot for a couple weeks, and then barely even getting on for a few weeks. I also tend to just lurk a lot. I feel like since I'm not Orthodox I don't have much to say on most of the discussions here.
I have 9,700 posts and I don't have much to say either.  That has not stopped me yet from posting stuff though.  :P

My posts mainly consist of banning people and food.
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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2015, 09:40:12 AM »
I enjoy this site a lot, but at the same time I feel that there is too much joking and petty arguing, rather than seriousness and polite disagreement, which would be more fitting of a Christian forum, especially an Orthodox forum.

My complaint is not with the forum itself, but that the members joke so much.
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« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2015, 10:13:59 AM »
I enjoy this site a lot, but at the same time I feel that there is too much joking and petty arguing, rather than seriousness and polite disagreement, which would be more fitting of a Christian forum, especially an Orthodox forum.

My complaint is not with the forum itself, but that the members joke so much.

Christianity isn't identical with a sour puritanism, though it would often seem that way.

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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2015, 11:53:53 AM »
I get what you mean, but reading a thread and trying to follow its point shouldn't like like wading through knee-high mud. If there's a humor forum, it should stay there. If not, somebody should make one if they wish.

Nobody's asking Orthodox Christians to be constipated puritans. You can have all the ouzo, vodka, Georgian wine, or other Orthodox drink of choice that you want. I'm just expressing a desire for more seriousness (or at the very least, less joking) in the forum.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2015, 12:07:58 PM »
I have to agree with Kostya.

Most of the time the posters on this Forum, for whatever reason, behave less than in an Orthodox manner.  We jump at the chance to correct, ridicule and point out each others' iniquities and shortcomings...and we rejoice when we succeed at proving we are smarter or better.

Instead of using this site to better our knowledge of the Church, to grow closer to God through fellowship....we focus on our differences.  Instead of nurturing and understanding each other, we love to cause strife.

We divide ourselves on Faith - he's too Orthodox (really?),  she's not Orthodox enough....she's a newby...wet behind the ears from baptism, so who is she to dictate to us....he's too old and rigid...set in his ways.  Really, folks?  What about nurturing the newly baptized and gently leading them on their way...with an arm around their shoulders to make sure their roots grow strong in the Faith?

Sure....there's always room for fun.  There ought to be lighthearted threads, jokes and laughter....but, some things ought to be taken seriously.

We need to find a happy medium...there's room for silliness and seriousness.

Our Faith is filled with joy and we should display and exude that joy from our very pores...and stop humiliating others.  Sew peace, not discord.



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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2015, 12:18:37 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2015, 12:37:50 PM »

I would agree with the cynical and judgmental.

Joking is fine, in the right thread.  ;)
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2015, 01:43:38 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

Yes. It's far from impossible.

Think of sarcasm. It's meant to be funny, but can also be used to criticize, judge, and insult.
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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM »
Ok, fair enough, for my part I'll try to be more aware of how/what I'm saying.  :)

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2015, 01:52:59 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

Yes. It's far from impossible.

Think of sarcasm. It's meant to be funny, but can also be used to criticize, judge, and insult.

And politics is another problem.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2015, 02:28:26 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

Yes. It's far from impossible.

Think of sarcasm. It's meant to be funny, but can also be used to criticize, judge, and insult.

And politics is another problem.

My view of it is this:

This forum is about Orthodox Christianity. There are sections dedicated to other things, and everything that's not about Orthodoxy should be kept there.

When talking about our ancient faith, we should be respectful and serious. We should try to never speak in error, and also realize that we are publicly representing the Church to whoever might be lurking on the forum. Therefore, there should be no joking in the forums that are of a religious nature.

I'm not a mod/admin, so it really doesn't matter what I think, but there you have it.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2015, 03:39:03 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

Yes. It's far from impossible.

Think of sarcasm. It's meant to be funny, but can also be used to criticize, judge, and insult.

And politics is another problem.

My view of it is this:

This forum is about Orthodox Christianity. There are sections dedicated to other things, and everything that's not about Orthodoxy should be kept there.

When talking about our ancient faith, we should be respectful and serious. We should try to never speak in error, and also realize that we are publicly representing the Church to whoever might be lurking on the forum. Therefore, there should be no joking in the forums that are of a religious nature.

I'm not a mod/admin, so it really doesn't matter what I think, but there you have it.

Orthodoxy is not a Sunday only lifestyle.

We should not compartmentalize our Orthodox life into forums where we can cuss, vent, defame, and judge others contrary to Christ's command to "love one another as I have loved you." Either we are striving for theosis or we are heading straight to Hell with no "pass".

Instead, we should be helping each other to grow in Christ.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2015, 04:06:15 PM »
I'll be honest, this has been a tough forum to 'get' Lots i don't know about Orthodox culture means I don't get some of the jokes and banter, which kind of leaves me standing on the outside with my gob hanging open trying to think of something to add and failing.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2015, 04:10:49 PM »
To our long-time, more experienced members: I think it would be wise for us to stop preaching how we should behave on an Orthodox forum (and risk revealing our gross hypocrisy) and instead encourage our lurkers and infrequent posters to share with us why they don't post here that often.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2015, 04:15:16 PM »
I'll be honest, this has been a tough forum to 'get' Lots i don't know about Orthodox culture means I don't get some of the jokes and banter, which kind of leaves me standing on the outside with my gob hanging open trying to think of something to add and failing.

I'm sorry. It does get a little weird sometimes.  :-\

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« Reply #87 on: June 01, 2015, 04:24:25 PM »
Maybe we shoule have a non-debate moderated forum for newcomers to be able to express themselves and ask questions.

No ad homines would be allowed, specially against newcomers, we should not assume they are inquirers seeking conversion, no acid sarcasm, no Church gossip or rumours, no taking positions on heated issues but just explaining what the current positions are and why people take them.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2015, 04:39:15 PM »
I'll be honest, this has been a tough forum to 'get' Lots i don't know about Orthodox culture means I don't get some of the jokes and banter, which kind of leaves me standing on the outside with my gob hanging open trying to think of something to add and failing.

I'm sorry. It does get a little weird sometimes.  :-\

It's cool, no problem. Getting to know a familiar face on a forum does take time. I shall persevere as I have time - but the other consideration is that I'm trying to not live out my faith journey online, as it were. You don't get an all-dimensions picture of anything on forum interaction, and I seen people become net catholics only to burn out really quickly when reality sunk in. So yeah, I'm a dissatified Anglican coming here to try and learn something, make a few friends on the way, and if I find any wisdom at all for myself, try to share it when appropriate.

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« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2015, 04:41:24 PM »
Aren't the Moderated Forums moderated more heavily?  I mean, there has always seemed to be a higher standard of discussion in the Convert/Faith Issues and Liturgy areas, that I have seen.

The Other Topics has this note: "Home for information, randomness, diversions, silly threads, and other unclassified topics. Not for serious debate."  And Free-for-All this: "Discussion of hot topics that may be of a polemical nature."  Seems self-explanatory to me. 

Of course, politics is the den of scum and villainy, but this is be expected.
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