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Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« on: October 13, 2008, 10:27:04 PM »
This is bugging me.  Last night I posted this video with Armenian Church hymns in the OO music thread (post #193):

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,9840.msg259728.html#msg259728

It's not like the guy is doing anything really disrespectful with the music, but he is mixing it in a way you would never hear in church.  Is that a totally unacceptable thing, or is it just being a little artistic and it's O.K. as long as it's not done in church?

I seem to recall a number of years ago there was some pop singer who mixed Gregorian Chant into a secular song.  I can't recall who it was, though.

This isn't as bad as that, but does anyone else find it bothersome?  I'm probably overreacting.


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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 10:50:08 PM »
I like it.
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 10:55:28 PM »
Mikis Theodorakis is a Greek composer who has set many liturgical services to orchestral music with choirs singing them beautifully to his own melodies. In his Requiem he presents the Memorial Service of the Church with a full orchestra and huge, polyphonic choir. In the background, the tubular bells are played in the rubrics of the bell-ringing for a funeral and Good Friday (each bell is struck once from smallest to largest then repeated). He has conducted his works across the world, and has thus presented the prayers of the Church to people who would not normally encounter them.
Yes, I think it's artsy, and certainly wouldn't think such works should be used liturgically, but they can certainly act as "ambassadors" for the beauty of the Orthodox Church- and perhaps someone who experiences them may want to learn more.
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 11:05:20 PM »
Better than the rock n roll yuck they have in some American churches. Better than "Christian" rap music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxwUyPlIlY
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 11:20:21 PM »
I guess you must really hate the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky. Russia Liturgical Tone 1 runs through the piece. Or Rimsky-Koriskovs Paschal Symphony. Anyone who has ever heard to Russian "Let God Arise..." can recognize his use of it instantly. The composers use themes to bring connections to audiences.
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2008, 11:39:14 PM »
I guess you guys are right.  I'm overreacting.   :)

Does anyone remember the pop song I am thinking of, that had the Gregorian Chant in it?  Now trying to remember that is going to bother me.   ;D

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2008, 11:44:20 PM »
I guess you guys are right.  I'm overreacting.   :)

Does anyone remember the pop song I am thinking of, that had the Gregorian Chant in it?  Now trying to remember that is going to bother me.   ;D
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 12:20:03 AM »
I don't think that was it.  Interesting, though.

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2008, 12:43:45 AM »
This is one contemporary song that used Gregorian Chant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Ys0mksl_k

This is a Protestant Christian group, singing about the Crucifixion, and I think they were using the chant in a respectful manner. 

There was another song, though, very similar to the one posted by Ozgeorge, which was different.

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2008, 12:50:28 AM »
There was another song, though, very similar to the one posted by Ozgeorge, which was different.
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2008, 12:57:30 AM »
I'm pretty sure that's what I'm thinking of.  Thanks.    :)

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 03:42:39 AM »
I guess you must really hate the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky. Russia Liturgical Tone 1 runs through the piece. Or Rimsky-Koriskovs Paschal Symphony. Anyone who has ever heard to Russian "Let God Arise..." can recognize his use of it instantly. The composers use themes to bring connections to audiences.

Tone 1 runs though the 1812 Overture as it is the melody of the Troparion to the Cross: Spasi, Gospodi lyudi tvoya ... This troparion was also an unofficial battle hymn during Tsarist times, hence its presence in the 1812. Also heard is the melody of God Save the Tsar, the imperial anthem.
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 09:36:49 AM »
Salpy, I enjoyed the video! Nothing wrong with the music or with its interpretation - it's very spiritual and just so beautiful... A great start for my day! Thank you!
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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2008, 12:45:34 AM »
I'm glad you liked it.  Now that I've listened to it a few times, I've come to appreciate it better.   :)

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 06:15:09 PM »
I guess you must really hate the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky. Russia Liturgical Tone 1 runs through the piece.

Is there a link to anything using that liturgical tone?  It must be beautiful.

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2008, 02:31:58 PM »
Loreena McKennit uses part of the Bridegroom Matins on her song "Dante's Prayer." 

I knew the song years before I became Orthodox, so I was a bit startled to hear it during my first Bridegroom Matins!

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Re: Artsy treatment of liturgical music
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2008, 03:06:30 PM »
Here's a link to Dante's Prayer so you can hear it.  She's one of my favorite artists.

http://www.last.fm/music/Loreena+McKennitt/_/Dante's+Prayer