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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2010, 11:27:01 PM »
I say either they're real... or else reality has somehow magically come to coincide with a "forged" (sic) document.

"The greatest measure of the veracity of a prediction is its subsequent fulfillment."

"The London 'Times' Stated on August 17, 1921: "These documents attracted only a little attention before the Revolution of 1917. The astounding breakdown of a great state due to attack by Bolshiviks and the presence of countless Jews among them, had the result that many people were looking for reasonable explanations of the catastrophe. The 'Protocols' furnished this explanation, especially as the tactics of the Bolsheviks at many points, were identical with the recommendations of the 'Protocols.'"

The "Protocols" were published in many countries although powerful efforts were made to prevent their publication. One edition dated 1917 (in German) bears the title "The Jewish Danger;" it attracted much attention. Public opinion became excited through the sudden revelation of this hellish conspiracy for the destruction of the Christian Civilization.

The "Morning Post" of London devoted several columns to this subject. A sensational article appeared in the "Times" of May 8, 1921, from which the following quotation was taken: "What do they mean, those 'Protocols?' Are they Genuine? Has a gang of criminals really drawn up such plans and is triumphing over their fulfillment? Are they a forgery? But how can one explain then this terrible prophetic gift that foretold all this before hand? Did we fight all these years to destroy the world power of Germany only to find ourselves now facing a much more dangerous enemy? Have we saved ourselves through enormous efforts from PAX GERMANICA only to fall a victim to PAX JUDAICA?"

The "Times" concludes this article with the following significant words: "If the' Protocols' were written by the Learned Elders of Zion then everything that was attempted and done against the Jews, is justified, necessary and urgent" Some weighty words!

Is there any wonder then that the powerful influences against which this terrible indictment is directed, made all possible efforts to bring this document into discredit?

(...)  Now let us continue our investigation. The path we are following is getting warmer we step on dangerous soil! Let us find out who is the gentleman identified as Maurice Joly; the mysterious correspondent (from Constantinople) "incidentally" paid no attention to his identity. Who was this "Frenchman," the author of the "Dialogues in Hell?" This problem is solved by Gottfried zur Beck in his preface to the German edition of the "Protocols." In which we find that Maurice Joly, according to the record, in his infancy was circumcised as Moses Joel! How strange!

Manifold Proofs: The highly remarkable book "Waters Flowing Eastward" by L. Fry contains much valuable information regarding Maurice Joly (Moses Joel). In the "Memoirs of Rene Mareuil," (one of the members of the Ministerial Cabinet of Polignac of France) is stated that Maurice Joly was born in 1831 and was employed in 1848 in the ministry at Chebreau as a minor employee. The young man was strongly influenced by Adolph Israel Cremieux (the founder of the Alliance Israelite Universelle.) Later he became a communist and was jailed for two years. In 1878 he committed suicide and at his burial the Jew Gambetta (former prime minister of France) delivered a postmortem speech.

It should be remembered that Gambetta played a certain part in the French commune, that Bolshevik reign of terror that existed in France from March 18th to May 29th, 1871, during which time Paris was robbed and ruined. Nevertheless, by a most remarkable 'coincidence none of the 145 houses owned by Alphonse Rothschild were damaged.'"


From 'A Huge Compendium of Arguments For and Against (the Authenticity of) the Protocols of the Elders of Zion'

Also see: 'Declassified United States Military Intelligence Division Report:"Protocols Are Genuine"'

Excerpt: 'RUSSIA !

Many of the witnesses who testified before the Senate Committee stated quite definitely that most of the prominent Bolshevik leaders were Jews. The following are quotations from one or two:

(1) Mr. Theodor Kryshtofovitch (page 424 Senate Record):

"Most of the people governing Russia now are Jews. I am not against Jews in general. They are a very capable and energetic people, but as you Americans say, the right man must be in the right place. Their place is in the Commission Houses, in Banks, in the offices, but not in the government of a fine agricultural country. They do not understand anything about agriculture, about production, about keeping materials and about distribution ********* I am talking about Bolsheviki; because if you take our Bolshevik Government, Lenine is a Russian and all these constellations that are turning around this sun are Jews. They have changed their names. For instance, Trotsky is not Trotsky but Bronstein."

Again on page 431 he says:

"They oppose the Russian clergy and the Russian clergy oppose the Bolsheviki, and the Russian priests are treated very badly. For instance, they are set to do street work, cleaning the streets, paving streets, digging ditches, and so on. The workmen told me several times: ‘The Bolsheviki are sending out priests to work in the streets. Why do they not send their Rabbis ?’ And that is true. The Jewish Rabbis are not sent to work on the streets."

Colonel V. S. Hurban, the leader of the Checho-Slovaks in Russia (page 444 of the Senate Record):

"It is also logical that the morals of the officials should be corrupt. I cannot deny it because it is a fact, and it is useless to deny it, that in the Soviets from the beginning there have been a very large percentage of Jews. It cannnot be denied. I can explain myself. We cannot blame them because it is just their revenge."'


In the USSR so-called 'Anti-Semitism' (exposing the crimes of the so-called 'Jews') was punishable BY DEATH. If one was found in possession of a copy of 'The Protocols' - DEATH.

Russians and Ukrainians (your fellow Christians) were murdered by the tens of millions (SIXTY-SIX MILLION according to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) with 'Jewish' money in a system (Communism) which was both invented and implemented by the so-called 'Jews'... but all we hear about is the Holocaust™. Everywhere under the Bolsheviks Orthodox Churches toppled and burned - while the synagogues remained.

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?

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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2010, 01:43:18 AM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2010, 01:47:12 AM »
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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2010, 02:53:18 AM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2010, 05:26:46 AM »
The "Protocols" seem to me like a good topic to redline if we are serious about wanting to avoid spreading racist views or inciting hatred. Members of the Ku Klux Klan used the so-called protocols to "prove" their anti-Semitic views. I hope we can most of us agree that the Klan doesn't disseminate Orthodox teachings.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2010, 10:51:40 AM »
The "Protocols" seem to me like a good topic to redline if we are serious about wanting to avoid spreading racist views or inciting hatred. Members of the Ku Klux Klan used the so-called protocols to "prove" their anti-Semitic views. I hope we can most of us agree that the Klan doesn't disseminate Orthodox teachings.

Indeed, the Klan was quite active in the North during the 1920's galvanizing American Protestants in an anti-immigration fervor directed in part against Slavs and Greeks who came in waves from 1900 though 1925 or so. Many of the immigrants were, of course  Orthodox or Eastern Catholic.
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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2010, 12:59:12 PM »
I say either they're real... or else reality has somehow magically come to coincide with a "forged" (sic) document.

"The greatest measure of the veracity of a prediction is its subsequent fulfillment."

"The London 'Times' Stated on August 17, 1921: "These documents attracted only a little attention before the Revolution of 1917. The astounding breakdown of a great state due to attack by Bolshiviks and the presence of countless Jews among them, had the result that many people were looking for reasonable explanations of the catastrophe. The 'Protocols' furnished this explanation, especially as the tactics of the Bolsheviks at many points, were identical with the recommendations of the 'Protocols.'"

The "Protocols" were published in many countries although powerful efforts were made to prevent their publication. One edition dated 1917 (in German) bears the title "The Jewish Danger;" it attracted much attention. Public opinion became excited through the sudden revelation of this hellish conspiracy for the destruction of the Christian Civilization.

The "Morning Post" of London devoted several columns to this subject. A sensational article appeared in the "Times" of May 8, 1921, from which the following quotation was taken: "What do they mean, those 'Protocols?' Are they Genuine? Has a gang of criminals really drawn up such plans and is triumphing over their fulfillment? Are they a forgery? But how can one explain then this terrible prophetic gift that foretold all this before hand? Did we fight all these years to destroy the world power of Germany only to find ourselves now facing a much more dangerous enemy? Have we saved ourselves through enormous efforts from PAX GERMANICA only to fall a victim to PAX JUDAICA?"

The "Times" concludes this article with the following significant words: "If the' Protocols' were written by the Learned Elders of Zion then everything that was attempted and done against the Jews, is justified, necessary and urgent" Some weighty words!

Is there any wonder then that the powerful influences against which this terrible indictment is directed, made all possible efforts to bring this document into discredit?

(...)  Now let us continue our investigation. The path we are following is getting warmer we step on dangerous soil! Let us find out who is the gentleman identified as Maurice Joly; the mysterious correspondent (from Constantinople) "incidentally" paid no attention to his identity. Who was this "Frenchman," the author of the "Dialogues in Hell?" This problem is solved by Gottfried zur Beck in his preface to the German edition of the "Protocols." In which we find that Maurice Joly, according to the record, in his infancy was circumcised as Moses Joel! How strange!

Manifold Proofs: The highly remarkable book "Waters Flowing Eastward" by L. Fry contains much valuable information regarding Maurice Joly (Moses Joel). In the "Memoirs of Rene Mareuil," (one of the members of the Ministerial Cabinet of Polignac of France) is stated that Maurice Joly was born in 1831 and was employed in 1848 in the ministry at Chebreau as a minor employee. The young man was strongly influenced by Adolph Israel Cremieux (the founder of the Alliance Israelite Universelle.) Later he became a communist and was jailed for two years. In 1878 he committed suicide and at his burial the Jew Gambetta (former prime minister of France) delivered a postmortem speech.

It should be remembered that Gambetta played a certain part in the French commune, that Bolshevik reign of terror that existed in France from March 18th to May 29th, 1871, during which time Paris was robbed and ruined. Nevertheless, by a most remarkable 'coincidence none of the 145 houses owned by Alphonse Rothschild were damaged.'"


From 'A Huge Compendium of Arguments For and Against (the Authenticity of) the Protocols of the Elders of Zion'

Also see: 'Declassified United States Military Intelligence Division Report:"Protocols Are Genuine"'

Excerpt: 'RUSSIA !

Many of the witnesses who testified before the Senate Committee stated quite definitely that most of the prominent Bolshevik leaders were Jews. The following are quotations from one or two:

(1) Mr. Theodor Kryshtofovitch (page 424 Senate Record):

"Most of the people governing Russia now are Jews. I am not against Jews in general. They are a very capable and energetic people, but as you Americans say, the right man must be in the right place. Their place is in the Commission Houses, in Banks, in the offices, but not in the government of a fine agricultural country. They do not understand anything about agriculture, about production, about keeping materials and about distribution ********* I am talking about Bolsheviki; because if you take our Bolshevik Government, Lenine is a Russian and all these constellations that are turning around this sun are Jews. They have changed their names. For instance, Trotsky is not Trotsky but Bronstein."

Again on page 431 he says:

"They oppose the Russian clergy and the Russian clergy oppose the Bolsheviki, and the Russian priests are treated very badly. For instance, they are set to do street work, cleaning the streets, paving streets, digging ditches, and so on. The workmen told me several times: ‘The Bolsheviki are sending out priests to work in the streets. Why do they not send their Rabbis ?’ And that is true. The Jewish Rabbis are not sent to work on the streets."

Colonel V. S. Hurban, the leader of the Checho-Slovaks in Russia (page 444 of the Senate Record):

"It is also logical that the morals of the officials should be corrupt. I cannot deny it because it is a fact, and it is useless to deny it, that in the Soviets from the beginning there have been a very large percentage of Jews. It cannnot be denied. I can explain myself. We cannot blame them because it is just their revenge."'


In the USSR so-called 'Anti-Semitism' (exposing the crimes of the so-called 'Jews') was punishable BY DEATH. If one was found in possession of a copy of 'The Protocols' - DEATH.

Russians and Ukrainians (your fellow Christians) were murdered by the tens of millions (SIXTY-SIX MILLION according to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) with 'Jewish' money in a system (Communism) which was both invented and implemented by the so-called 'Jews'... but all we hear about is the Holocaust™. Everywhere under the Bolsheviks Orthodox Churches toppled and burned - while the synagogues remained.

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2010, 01:41:10 PM »
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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2010, 02:08:01 PM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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Um, that was the British? "EXACTLY- THE BRITISH ARE ALL JOOOZ!"

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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2010, 02:33:46 PM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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Um, that was the British? "EXACTLY- THE BRITISH ARE ALL JOOOZ!"

Um. didn't the 'saintly' papa joe stalin get bounced out of Seminary in Georgia before becoming a mass murderer of the greatest order? Must have been you know who's fault, of course.

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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2010, 02:11:17 AM »
Quote from: Saint Iaint
Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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This would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2010, 12:07:49 AM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 



Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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Um, that was the British? "EXACTLY- THE BRITISH ARE ALL JOOOZ!"

British eh?

Ya think?

Honk Kong: The Land Built On Opium

Guess Who Created The Opium Trade

The Chinese Opium Wars And The British Jews (PDF)



How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

†IC XC†
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Um, that was the British? "EXACTLY- THE BRITISH ARE ALL JOOOZ!"

Um. didn't the 'saintly' papa joe stalin get bounced out of Seminary in Georgia before becoming a mass murderer of the greatest order? Must have been you know who's fault, of course.

Yes, Stalin attempted to enter the Orthodoxy (Was it a failed attempt at infiltration? There have been 'rabbis' who have called for their fellow Talmudists to do just that...) but 'Stalin' (like Trotsky and countless others) had changed his name...

Stalin's real name was Djugashvilli. Trotsky's real name was Bronstein.

Was 'Stalin' really a 'Jew'? He could have been for all I know. I know he certainly was virtually surrounded with them:

Stalin’s Willing Executioners
- Jews As A Hostile Elite In The USSR


Even the 'Jews' themselves admit as much (to a degree) :

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

From: Stalin's Jews

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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2010, 12:30:37 AM »
Seriously???

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2010, 12:38:21 AM »
Lord have mercy. I cannot believe some of the things being said here.

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2010, 10:20:20 AM »
Lyndon LaRouche?! Lyndon Larouche?!?! Really?!?!?! Hahahahahahahahahaha.

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2010, 11:22:57 AM »
Ad hominem much?

Has Your Neighbor Been Brainwashed About Lyndon Larouche?

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« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2010, 11:56:06 AM »
Hmm ... that would explain the otherwise inexplicable popularity of those sinister Jews Moe, Shemp and Curly Howard!
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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2010, 05:41:28 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that this thread simply cannot be serious.  :D

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2010, 11:58:37 PM »
Quote from: Iconodule
"If you really want to know the truth about who, or what, is controlling our world, you must watch this: Nonsense"

Why are you watching garbage like that? The announcer sounds like a (real) racist... Personally, I don't approve of the use of the word 'Nigger'.

Do you?

Here's a quote from this video, apparently by the same talented individual:

Gangster Computer-god Worldwide Containment Policy

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"(...) You go to a nearby hospital (or camouflaged miniature hospital van-trucks)... You strip naked, lie on the operating table which slides into the sealed computer-god operating cabinet. Intravenous tubes are connected...

The slimy, vicious Jew doctor simply pushes the starting button based on your computer-god brain on the moon - which records progress on your systematic butchery. Your butchery is continued, exactly; systematically. (...)"

Those are things that I would never say!

Attempting to mock and ridicule me doesn't address anything at issue here.

Here... why don't you watch something worthwhile?

Norman Finkelstein: Israel's Zionist's Disgrace In Gaza

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2010, 12:01:43 AM »
I have no problem with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. He is not an anti-semite nor, to my knowledge, does he spin absurd conspiracy theories. You could learn a thing or two from him.

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« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2010, 03:58:15 AM »
I have no problem with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. He is not an anti-semite nor, to my knowledge, does he spin absurd conspiracy theories. You could learn a thing or two from him.

I  haven't spun anything (I don't exist in a vacuum)... nor am I an "anti-Semite".

Here are some folks you could perhaps learn a thing or three from:

'Jews' Exposing Zionist Grip On America - Moderate 'Jewish' Voices

George Calloway Speaks Against The Zionists - Gaza Massacre

Christians!!!!

Are these people "Anti-Semites"? Or "Self-Haters"? Or even "Conspiracy Theorists"? (Gasp!)

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2010, 05:23:53 AM »
I have no problem with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. He is not an anti-semite nor, to my knowledge, does he spin absurd conspiracy theories. You could learn a thing or two from him.

I  haven't spun anything (I don't exist in a vacuum)... nor am I an "anti-Semite".
But you sure are funny. :laugh:
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« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2010, 07:25:57 AM »
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Was 'Stalin' really a 'Jew'? He could have been for all I know. I know he certainly was virtually surrounded with them:


Stalin/Jughashvili was baptized into the Georgian Orthodox church. He spent five years in an Orthodox seminary and was expelled for having missed his final exams. He was apparently unable to pay his school fees. Otherwise, we may have had to contend with Fr. Ioseb!

As for being "virtually surrounded by Jews" in the government of the USSR, the Politburo had a total of 22 members during the 1930s. One--ONE--was of Jewish origin. It was Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich. (Amazingly, he was never purged, and died in 1991 at the age of 98.) As I read the lists of Politburo members during the 1920s through the 1940s, I can only find two other members of Jewish origin. One, of course, was Trotsky. The vast majority of members were ethnic Russian or Ukrainian.


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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2010, 11:17:40 AM »
I've learned enough about Eastern Orthodoxy to know that most EO's don't think this way.

Still, it's disturbing that those who do seem to feel comfortable posting about it here.  :(
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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2010, 11:19:34 AM »
I've learned enough about Eastern Orthodoxy to know that most EO's don't think this way.

Still, it's disturbing that those who do seem to feel comfortable posting about it here.  :(

Yes. It is the ugly side of some Orthodox traditions--anti-Semitism and ultra far-right nationalism.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2010, 12:33:59 PM »
To be fair, I have seen similar opinions expressed on some ultra-montane RC forums as well.

Still, one would hope the followers of the TRUE   FAITH would know better ...
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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2010, 12:57:21 PM »
To be fair, I have seen similar opinions expressed on some ultra-montane RC forums as well.

Still, one would hope the followers of the TRUE   FAITH would know better ...

Yes. Ignorance knows no bounds...

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« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2010, 01:09:08 PM »
Ad hominem much?
Has Your Neighbor Been Brainwashed About Lyndon Larouche?

LaRouche is a nutcase who among other things ascribed the Oklahoma City bombing to the British government and accused Her Majesty of heading a drug-running ring. Ascribing any merit to his accusations is proof of a complete lack of any discrimination when it comes to choosing one's authorities.

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Re: AIIIIIIEEEE! Not LaRouche!
« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2010, 01:36:30 PM »
Ad hominem much?
Has Your Neighbor Been Brainwashed About Lyndon Larouche?

LaRouche is a nutcase who among other things ascribed the Oklahoma City bombing to the British government and accused Her Majesty of heading a drug-running ring. Ascribing any merit to his accusations is proof of a complete lack of any discrimination when it comes to choosing one's authorities.

I thought that had a James Bond kind of feel to it.


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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2010, 02:37:38 AM »
As for being "virtually surrounded by Jews" in the government of the USSR, the Politburo had a total of 22 members during the 1930s. One--ONE--was of Jewish origin. It was Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich. (Amazingly, he was never purged, and died in 1991 at the age of 98.) As I read the lists of Politburo members during the 1920s through the 1940s, I can only find two other members of Jewish origin. One, of course, was Trotsky. The vast majority of members were ethnic Russian or Ukrainian.

Silly Hermogenes. Don't you know that the Politburo was only the public face, the mere puppet of the vast, secret Jewish cabal that ruled the whole Communist world?

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2010, 08:23:39 AM »
As for being "virtually surrounded by Jews" in the government of the USSR, the Politburo had a total of 22 members during the 1930s. One--ONE--was of Jewish origin. It was Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich. (Amazingly, he was never purged, and died in 1991 at the age of 98.) As I read the lists of Politburo members during the 1920s through the 1940s, I can only find two other members of Jewish origin. One, of course, was Trotsky. The vast majority of members were ethnic Russian or Ukrainian.

Silly Hermogenes. Don't you know that the Politburo was only the public face, the mere puppet of the vast, secret Jewish cabal that ruled the whole Communist world?

 ::)
Silly, indeed. How could I forget about that vast Jewish conspiracy that controlled both communism and international banking (something springs to mind here about a house divided, but don't let's get distracted by logic or reason here); the media; our schools and universities; socialist humanism; the Democratic Party (same as previous); the United Nations; major league baseball; and the NFL? Thanks for the reminder. You can't relax your vigilance for a moment in this troubled world!

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2010, 02:10:25 PM »
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Silly Hermogenes. Don't you know that the Politburo was only the public face, the mere puppet of the vast, secret Jewish cabal that ruled the whole Communist world?

 ::)

I forgot to add: The European Community; the World Council of Churches; NATO; the British royal family; OPEC; the mafia; the ACLU; the Roman Catholic church; the FBI; the World Bank; NASA; the Knights of Columbus; Betty White; and the Red Cross. I know some of them aren't card-carrying Jews, but that's all part of their nefarious plan. Those Zionist conspirators are everywhere.

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2010, 02:22:48 PM »
And the American Medical Association.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2010, 02:25:29 PM »
Don't forget comic books...

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #79 on: November 28, 2010, 02:38:58 PM »
Don't forget comic books...

Yes, the conspiracy is so massive...inevitably, people are gonna get left off the lists. And these are only the current members. The historical list is quite vast, beginning with J. Edgar Hoover and the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. (Well, it actually begins with Abraham Lincoln.)
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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #80 on: November 28, 2010, 11:45:06 PM »
To be fair, I have seen similar opinions expressed on some ultra-montane RC forums as well.

Still, one would hope the followers of the TRUE   FAITH would know better ...

I know what you mean. Its attitudes like this in Orthodoxy that make me very sad. Its just as horrifying as seeing priests lead neo-nazi demonstrations in Moscow and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. Its books such as the Protocols that fuel these hate organizations.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2010, 09:13:51 AM »
To be fair, I have seen similar opinions expressed on some ultra-montane RC forums as well.

Still, one would hope the followers of the TRUE   FAITH would know better ...

I know what you mean. Its attitudes like this in Orthodoxy that make me very sad. Its just as horrifying as seeing priests lead neo-nazi demonstrations in Moscow and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. Its books such as the Protocols that fuel these hate organizations.

Yes. The Serbian church has paid most for this kind of thing, as some of its more nationalistic leaders have supported the Balkan wars (and, it appears, some of the war criminals). Very sad and disturbing. The same thing happened in Croatia during WW II.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #82 on: December 13, 2010, 12:17:17 AM »
What is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Was it a hoax by the Tsarist government?

Yes, a vicious lie that is still being currently used against the Jewish people. I thought everyone knew it was a hoax by now?
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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2010, 02:49:39 AM »
"Communist cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the Soviet Union.

Active anti-Semites are punished by death under law."

- Joseph 'Stalin', Quote from interview w/ Jewish Telegraph Agency (1931)

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I have no problem with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. He is not an anti-semite nor, to my knowledge, does he spin absurd conspiracy theories. You could learn a thing or two from him.

I  haven't spun anything (I don't exist in a vacuum)... nor am I an "anti-Semite".
But you sure are funny. :laugh:

Glad I could amuse you. What's so funny?

Communism is not funny.




Don't forget comic books...

Yes, the conspiracy is so massive...inevitably, people are gonna get left off the lists. And these are only the current members. The historical list is quite vast, beginning with J. Edgar Hoover and the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. (Well, it actually begins with Abraham Lincoln.)

Look into Lincoln, his Greenbacks and the bankers. Then investigate who those bankers actually were.

As for the KKK... Two questions:

The KKK were supposed to have been predominantly White and (nominally at least) Christian, right? Why would Christians want to burn a Cross?!?

And just why did they wear those hoods anyway?

"We came across a horsehide-covered trunk which looked promising.

Opening it, we found father's Confederate uniform. Digging deeper in the trunk, we pulled out a white hood and a long robe with a crimson Cross on its breast - the regalia of a knight of the Klu Klux Klan (...)

To my brother and me, the thought that father was a member of that band exalted him in our youthful eyes."
- Bernard M. Baruch, 'Baruch: My Own Story', pg. 32


See: Bernard Baruch

Here's some more on Communism and its 'Jewish' predominance:

"Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into "survivors" of "the Holocaust"

Judaic Professor Arno Mayer of Princeton in his important book, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? states that the German invasion of Russia was carried out with the intention to eradicate Bolshevik (Soviet Communist) ideology. The Germans were hardly the only ones in the West to believe that, "Soviet Russia is a dictatorship of Jewry."

On Feb. 8, 1920 a young British writer made a similar observation in the Illustrated Sunday Herald:

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."

The writer was Winston Churchill. Though he would later sell his soul for considerably more than thirty pieces of silver, his analysis of the authentic nature of Soviet communism remains trenchant.

Churchill expressed the crucial insight that the crimes perpetrated by Jewish communists against Germans and Russians instilled in those people a desire for retribution:

"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

"The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.

"...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies which are now being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people." (End quote from Churchill).

"...a letter sent to the Vatican by Pius XII in 1919, when he was Bishop Eugenio Pacelli and papal nuncio in Munich...reports on his deputy's unpleasant encounter with Bolshevik revolutionaries who were then terrorizing Catholic priests and the German bourgeoisie. The letter describes the leader, Max Lieven as a '... Russian and a Jew.' The letter also describes Mr. Lieven's companions, '...Jews like the rest of them.'...Bishop Pacelli's description of Jewish Communists...was hardly uncommon 80 years ago." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 3, 1999).

Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991), says: "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement." (...)"


Continued at this page: Judaic Communism - The Documentary Record

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2010, 08:52:33 AM »
"Communist cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the Soviet Union.

Active anti-Semites are punished by death under law."

- Joseph 'Stalin', Quote from interview w/ Jewish Telegraph Agency (1931)

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I have no problem with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. He is not an anti-semite nor, to my knowledge, does he spin absurd conspiracy theories. You could learn a thing or two from him.

I  haven't spun anything (I don't exist in a vacuum)... nor am I an "anti-Semite".
But you sure are funny. :laugh:

Glad I could amuse you. What's so funny?

Communism is not funny.




Don't forget comic books...

Yes, the conspiracy is so massive...inevitably, people are gonna get left off the lists. And these are only the current members. The historical list is quite vast, beginning with J. Edgar Hoover and the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. (Well, it actually begins with Abraham Lincoln.)

Look into Lincoln, his Greenbacks and the bankers. Then investigate who those bankers actually were.

As for the KKK... Two questions:

The KKK were supposed to have been predominantly White and (nominally at least) Christian, right? Why would Christians want to burn a Cross?!?

And just why did they wear those hoods anyway?

"We came across a horsehide-covered trunk which looked promising.

Opening it, we found father's Confederate uniform. Digging deeper in the trunk, we pulled out a white hood and a long robe with a crimson Cross on its breast - the regalia of a knight of the Klu Klux Klan (...)

To my brother and me, the thought that father was a member of that band exalted him in our youthful eyes."
- Bernard M. Baruch, 'Baruch: My Own Story', pg. 32


See: Bernard Baruch

Here's some more on Communism and its 'Jewish' predominance:

"Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into "survivors" of "the Holocaust"

Judaic Professor Arno Mayer of Princeton in his important book, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? states that the German invasion of Russia was carried out with the intention to eradicate Bolshevik (Soviet Communist) ideology. The Germans were hardly the only ones in the West to believe that, "Soviet Russia is a dictatorship of Jewry."

On Feb. 8, 1920 a young British writer made a similar observation in the Illustrated Sunday Herald:

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."

The writer was Winston Churchill. Though he would later sell his soul for considerably more than thirty pieces of silver, his analysis of the authentic nature of Soviet communism remains trenchant.

Churchill expressed the crucial insight that the crimes perpetrated by Jewish communists against Germans and Russians instilled in those people a desire for retribution:

"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

"The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.

"...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies which are now being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people." (End quote from Churchill).

"...a letter sent to the Vatican by Pius XII in 1919, when he was Bishop Eugenio Pacelli and papal nuncio in Munich...reports on his deputy's unpleasant encounter with Bolshevik revolutionaries who were then terrorizing Catholic priests and the German bourgeoisie. The letter describes the leader, Max Lieven as a '... Russian and a Jew.' The letter also describes Mr. Lieven's companions, '...Jews like the rest of them.'...Bishop Pacelli's description of Jewish Communists...was hardly uncommon 80 years ago." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 3, 1999).

Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991), says: "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement." (...)"


Continued at this page: Judaic Communism - The Documentary Record

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Are you offering these things as facts?

Between Stalin's election as First Secretary of the communist party and his death in 1953, the Politburo had nearly 100 members  Three--THREE--were Jewish. From 1938 on, there was only one. Some Jewish plot...

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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2010, 02:18:28 PM »
The KKK were supposed to have been predominantly White and (nominally at least) Christian, right? Why would Christians want to burn a Cross?!?

And just why did they wear those hoods anyway?

"We came across a horsehide-covered trunk which looked promising.

Opening it, we found father's Confederate uniform. Digging deeper in the trunk, we pulled out a white hood and a long robe with a crimson Cross on its breast - the regalia of a knight of the Klu Klux Klan (...)

To my brother and me, the thought that father was a member of that band exalted him in our youthful eyes."
- Bernard M. Baruch, 'Baruch: My Own Story', pg. 32

I have to wonder whether you actually read the book. Not that I have it in my hand either, but all references to this passage indicate that what Baruch meant was that antisemitism was not a problem for him in his youth, and that by inference his father's Judaism was exceptional among KKK members.

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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2010, 02:41:18 PM »
Note, also, that in its original incarnation (of which Dr. Simon Baruch was a member), the Klan was primarily an anti-black and anti-Federal organization.  The anti-Jewish element did not arise until its second incarnation in the early 20th century.  There were probably a number of prominent Southern Jews associated with the Klan 1860s and '70s
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Re: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2010, 02:57:19 PM »

How is it that a simple man like Nilus accurately predicted that the International 'Jews' would take over Holy Russia?


How is it that the International Jews took over Holy China? 

Are you serious?

Why - Opium of course!

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Um, that was the British? "EXACTLY- THE BRITISH ARE ALL JOOOZ!"

Um. didn't the 'saintly' papa joe stalin get bounced out of Seminary in Georgia before becoming a mass murderer of the greatest order? Must have been you know who's fault, of course.

The British were behind that, too?! That just figures!
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Re: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2010, 03:27:41 PM »
"Communist cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the Soviet Union.

Active anti-Semites are punished by death under law."

- Joseph 'Stalin', Quote from interview w/ Jewish Telegraph Agency (1931)

That's hilarious, what was this then?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism_and_antisemitism

Despite the 'egalitarian' 'anti-racist' babble espoused by Stalin and his ilk, they still murdered Jews and were no less vicious or murderous than the Nazis, his nice sounding speeches do not match up to the reality of what actually happened to Russian Jews. Also, define "Jewish telegraph agency." Was ist das? Hmm?

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"Some call it Communism... I call it Judaism." - Rabbi Stephen Wise

This statement is moronic, regardless of who said it, however he was a REFORM Rabbi and he's no less ignorant that those Haredi Rabbanim who attended the holocaust denial conferance held by Mr. Ahamdinejad. Just because a Jew says X doesn't mean what he is saying reflects the opinions of all Jews or the correct teachings of Judaism in general. This is as stupid as me saying that because you are Orthodox or Slavic that means all Orthodox Christians are just as ignorant as yourself. This link between Judaism/Jews and Communism is purely fictional and moronic.  Not to mention I would question the authenticity of this quote considering you racists tend to make things up, case and point, the Protocols. The fact of the matter is, all races were involved in the Communist movement, Jews, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, every race participated in it, it's not a global Jewish conspiracy and I am highly offended by your posts. Also, posting links to "revisitionist histories," doesn't give the appearence of legitimacy to your argument, where did you get all this stuff from? The Stormfront forum? Are you also a fan of Henry Ford's The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem? Do you also consider that to be a legitimate book about the "Jewish problem"? I don't understand people like you, what do you have against Jews anyways? Did we steal one of your lady friends at some point?
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Re: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
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