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« on: October 10, 2008, 12:42:36 AM »

From the outside looking in, what is this "status quo" elephant that seems to stomp between the different churches of the Orthodox faith, between the Greeks and the OCA and Russians and whatnot? Is it just in peoples' heads?
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 02:43:46 AM »

In summary, the granting of autocephaly (e.g. self-rule) by the Moscow Patriarchate in 1970 to the Metropolia in America is not recognized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.  The Ecumenical Patriarchate recognizes today's Orthodox Church in America as a successor to the Metropolia and not as an autocephalous Orthodox Jurisdiction although the OCA's sacraments and clergy are recognized as valid.

The Moscow Patriarchate and Ecumenical Patriarchate have had issues over Ukraine, Catholic relations, Estonia and many more as evident by the threads on this board addressing these topics.   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 07:32:07 AM »

I'll just add that the EP's claim to America (and China, Japan, etc.) are not generally recognized either.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 08:11:11 AM »

Sorry I don't understand the question Myrrh. What are you referring to?
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 08:39:26 AM »

In summary, the granting of autocephaly (e.g. self-rule) by the Moscow Patriarchate in 1970 to the Metropolia in America is not recognized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.  The Ecumenical Patriarchate recognizes today's Orthodox Church in America as a successor to the Metropolia and not as an autocephalous Orthodox Jurisdiction although the OCA's sacraments and clergy are recognized as valid.

The Moscow Patriarchate and Ecumenical Patriarchate have had issues over Ukraine, Catholic relations, Estonia and many more as evident by the threads on this board addressing these topics.   Smiley

To be fair, most of the Autocephalous churches do not recognize the autocephaly of the OCA, but there are some who do, besides Moscow.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 12:33:02 PM »

To be fair, most of the Autocephalous churches do not recognize the autocephaly of the OCA, but there are some who do, besides Moscow.

True, I was sticking only to the Jurisdictions mentioned by the OP.   Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 12:47:09 PM »

To be fair, most of the Autocephalous churches do not recognize the autocephaly of the OCA, but there are some who do, besides Moscow.

I was under the impression that only Moscow recognized the OCA's autocephaly.  Which others do?
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 04:18:01 PM »

I'm sure Polish because OCA's primate is named during the services with our Metropolite. On orthodoxwiki there's written that OCA is also recognised by Moscow, Bulgaria, Georgia, and the Czech Lands and Slovakia Churches.

Christianity in the USA seems "messy" for a foreigner. More or less 15 canonical jurisdictions, one of them is not recognized by some other Churches, but clergy pray together and there's intercommunion. There SCOBA, which gathers about half of the canonical jurisdictions, but there are some out of it. How can You  stand this?
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 04:43:23 PM »

I'm sure Polish because OCA's primate is named during the services with our Metropolite. On orthodoxwiki there's written that OCA is also recognised by Moscow, Bulgaria, Georgia, and the Czech Lands and Slovakia Churches.

Christianity in the USA seems "messy" for a foreigner. More or less 15 canonical jurisdictions, one of them is not recognized by some other Churches, but clergy pray together and there's intercommunion. There SCOBA, which gathers about half of the canonical jurisdictions, but there are some out of it. How can You  stand this?

Seems messy to me, too.  I stand it because I have no other choice.  Sad
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 06:09:35 PM »

Sorry I don't understand the question Myrrh. What are you referring to?

I was asking what Paisius meant when he said "Isn't that the status quo" or something like that in the thread Alexy II to visit Istanbul.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 07:26:55 PM »

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How can You  stand this?

While it's a mess, I don't really experience negative consequences from it in my day to day life.
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