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Offline _Seraphim_

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What I’m really looking for is an Orthodox site that (soberly) addresses:

1) Rome’s criterion for Christian unity is ultimately Papal Supremacy over all of Christendom…
and, therefore,
2) Rome’s declaration that they simply “want unity” is very misleading because it lacks the full explanation of how exactly they intend this “unity” to take place.

Anyone know of a well-balanced/informative/sober Orthodox site that addresses this particular issue?
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Re: Orthodox site to soberly address dangers of Roman claim to Papal Supremacy
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008, 08:58:02 PM »
Not sure if it is what you're looking for, but you might want to look at this article on Phil Thompson's site: "The Fundamental Difference Between East and West"

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Re: Orthodox site to soberly address dangers of Roman claim to Papal Supremacy
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2008, 11:23:40 PM »
I don't know if a site exists (and if fact doubt it - despite the good work being done in many fields with primary sources, I have yet to see much good online secondary work - that isn't just the online version of a print journal).   

That said, the only book that I've seen which discusses what you're talking about is called Hymn of Entry, by Abbot Vasilios of the Iviron monastery.  Though the book is written to be an explanation of why the Holy Mountain was opposed to the EP-Vatican ecumenism of the 1970s, it's really much more than that because he puts it into a theological framework.  And this is "real" (for lack of a better word) theology - it's not philosophy or history, it's a written articulation of the life and experience of the Church in several areas, and within it

Be advised: it's not easy, light reading.   I honestly think that the average layman would have to have been attending just about every service at Church (Vespers/Orthros/Liturgy+Lent, Holy Week, etc.) consistently for at least several years in order to be able to make  sense of it.


[I suppose the question will inevitably arise: why am I still in union with Rome if I think so highly of Abbot Vasilios' books?  Short answer, I think his characterization of Rome - even though it's perfectly in line with what he'd learn in France in the 1960s, and basically in line with the Catholic answers crowd - is inaccurate; and that Rome's nature - understood in its own terms - are essentially in line with what he writes.  That is, as much as I admire his work and that of Abbot Aemilianos and of other writers, I don't see anything that's outside what I've seen with Rome.  But that's the subject of a totally different thread.  If it comes, I'll participate.  If not, I'll leave it at that.]
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