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« on: September 16, 2008, 11:06:19 AM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?

In what way are the Orthodox "radically" collegial?  I'm always under the impression that Constantinople can convene if necessary.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 11:04:38 AM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?

In what way are the Orthodox "radically" collegial?  I'm always under the impression that Constantinople can convene if necessary.

Clement appears to argue that early Church Ecclesiology was a 'tension' between the collegiality of the Bishops and the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. He seems to argue that it was that way for a reason.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 11:34:53 AM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?

In what way are the Orthodox "radically" collegial?  I'm always under the impression that Constantinople can convene if necessary.

Clement appears to argue that early Church Ecclesiology was a 'tension' between the collegiality of the Bishops and the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. He seems to argue that it was that way for a reason.

It could be argued that tension and not an agree form of ecclesiology is very unstable.  This instability lead to the 11th century schism. No?  (other than fifth century divisions)
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 12:09:02 PM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?

In what way are the Orthodox "radically" collegial?  I'm always under the impression that Constantinople can convene if necessary.

Clement appears to argue that early Church Ecclesiology was a 'tension' between the collegiality of the Bishops and the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. He seems to argue that it was that way for a reason.

It could be argued that tension and not an agree form of ecclesiology is very unstable.  This instability lead to the 11th century schism. No?  (other than fifth century divisions)

I think it would be fruitful to read his book on the matter. I'm not sure I could represent his scholarship on the matter.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 02:12:58 PM »

Has anyone else read Olivier Clement's You Are Peter? It seemed to challenge both the Orthodox stance on radical collegiality and Catholic Primacy in a kind of organic tension which seems to be present in the early Church. Anyone read this work? Any Thoughts?

In what way are the Orthodox "radically" collegial?  I'm always under the impression that Constantinople can convene if necessary.

Clement appears to argue that early Church Ecclesiology was a 'tension' between the collegiality of the Bishops and the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. He seems to argue that it was that way for a reason.

It could be argued that tension and not an agree form of ecclesiology is very unstable.  This instability lead to the 11th century schism. No?  (other than fifth century divisions)

I think it would be fruitful to read his book on the matter. I'm not sure I could represent his scholarship on the matter.

The book does sound very interesting.  I'll definitely track it down.  Smiley
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