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Offline Fr. Savvas

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Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« on: September 08, 2008, 11:20:31 AM »
Is there anyone who is familiar with specific details regarding various Greek liturgical practices for instance, in St. George's Cathedral in the Phanar, on the Holy Mountain and in the Patriarchate of Jerusalem?

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 12:47:08 PM »
Father, welcome to the forum and just out of curiousity, why do you ask?  All 3 places perform the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and since 2 of the 3 are Patriarchal Sees, they recite the diptychs for all Orthodox Churches in Communion with the respected Patriarch.  As for the Holy Mountain, I think they commemorate the leaders of each Monastic Unit in their diptychs and the Orthodox Churches in Communion as well.

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 02:07:12 PM »
I want to learn about very minute details for instance is it
Δι΄ ευχών των Αγίων πατέρων ημών, Κύριε Ιησού Χριστέ ο Θεός ημών, ελέησον και σώσον ημάς.

or is it

Δι΄ ευχών των Αγίων πατέρων ημών, Κύριε Ιησού Χριστέ ο Θεός, ελέησον και σώσον ημάς.

or is it

Δι΄ ευχών των Αγίων πατέρων ημών, Κύριε Ιησού Χριστέ ο Θεός, ελέησον ημάς.

or is it

Δι΄ ευχών των Αγίων πατέρων ημών, Κύριε Ιησού Χριστέ ο Θεός ημών, ελέησον ημάς.

At the end of the απόλυσις is it

ως αγαθός και φιλάνθωπος

or

ως αγαθός και φιλάνθωπος  και ελεήμων  Θεός

and many other such questions.


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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 02:30:21 PM »
Call up the phanar and patriachate of Jerusalem and ask?  And the Friends of Mt. Athos http://abacus.bates.edu/~rallison/friends/ may be able to help.

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 02:30:51 PM »
Father, I usually hear the 2nd form:

Δι΄ ευχών των Αγίων πατέρων ημών, Κύριε Ιησού Χριστέ ο Θεός, ελέησον και σώσον ημάς

I also hear the 2nd form:

ως αγαθός και φιλάνθωπος  και ελεήμων  Θεός

With all due respect, I think your Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom service book answers all questions.   :)


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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 02:58:14 PM »
Which liturgical book, since they all say something different? I understand perfectly well that these minute details are nonessential, I just wondered if anyone knew anything about the various practices.

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
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With all due respect, I think your Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom service book answers all questions.   :)



Which edition? :)
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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 03:08:08 PM »
Father A. and Father S. - any liturgical book published by your Jurisdiction (for starters), if one is published?   ;)

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 03:15:17 PM »
Father A. and Father S. - any liturgical book published by your Jurisdiction (for starters), if one is published?   ;)

We know what to do in our jurisdiction. We are curious about other practices. There are for instance service books published by the EP from 1950 and I believe 1979 that have differences between each other.
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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 03:28:27 PM »
We know what to do in our jurisdiction. We are curious about other practices. There are for instance service books published by the EP from 1950 and I believe 1979 that have differences between each other.

I know someone else already suggested calling.  How difficult would it be to call someone (or drop by) and ask to review a Service Book, remembering that I'm very naive and do not believe in the status quo.   ;)

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Re: Various Greek Liturgical Practices
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 10:14:01 AM »
If I do not make mistake,accoring to Prof.Ioannis Foundoulis,without "kai soson imas"and "kai eleimon Theos" is more correct.
But I think such thing more depends on priest personally than jurisdictionally...