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200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« on: August 27, 2008, 09:02:34 PM »
Pretty cool idea. I wonder if this "torque multiplication" idea can be replicated in other, more teacher-friendly vehicles?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1049151/The-sports-car-Venice-tank.html

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This sleek machine is being hailed as the future of high-performance, eco-friendly motoring.

With an engine that runs on pure biodiesel, the Trident Iceni can do 2,000 miles on one tank of fuel - enough for a return trip to Venice from London.

Capable of topping 200mph, the car has been designed and manufactured by Phil Bevan, of Norwich-based firm Trident Performance Vehicles.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 09:51:16 PM »
It is an interesting concept... I wonder how the chassis holds up in crash-tests (I bet poorly - partly because it's a sports car, partly because I don't think stainless steel has the same strength as normal high-strength auto steel (I'm open to correction on this last point, or any information to answer my general question of crash-testing strength).

I do applaud them for making the attempt.... Now to get the sales to the point where the cost can come down.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 10:09:02 AM »
I can't speak for 'crash-test strength' but the tensile and shear strengths of stainless steel is greater than the respective strengths for conventional steel.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 10:23:26 AM »
For some reason. I don't think the type of steel used will be the determining factor at 200+ mph. :D
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:49:29 AM »
For some reason. I don't think the type of steel used will be the determining factor at 200+ mph. :D

Good point...not even titanium and kevlar would help you at those speeds. ;)
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 11:03:43 AM »
For some reason. I don't think the type of steel used will be the determining factor at 200+ mph. :D

What's the point?  Most automobiles manufactured today can attain speeds close to 200MPH or above with some tweaking... But all safety equipment and frame durability is tested at reasonable speeds... Unless, of course, you're NASCAR.  Anything faster than 90MPH is at your own risk.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 11:04:56 AM »
I can't speak for 'crash-test strength' but the tensile and shear strengths of stainless steel is greater than the respective strengths for conventional steel.

That's good to know.  Now, at least I can be sure in the knowledge that my knives and forks will survive a 200MPH crash better than the ones from WalMart. :D
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 11:11:38 AM »
What's the point?  Most automobiles manufactured today can attain speeds close to 200MPH or above with some tweaking... But all safety equipment and frame durability is tested at reasonable speeds... Unless, of course, you're NASCAR.  Anything faster than 90MPH is at your own risk.

Everything is relative. If everybody is on the road with a Smart car. Than safety is not an issue. The problem comes when you stair down the throat of an eighteen wheeler. ;)
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 11:22:15 AM »
100 MPG is incredible. I wonder if us Greeks get together and corner the biofuel industry. All of that frenchfries oil could bring back the empire.  :D
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 11:30:31 AM »
I can't speak for 'crash-test strength' but the tensile and shear strengths of stainless steel is greater than the respective strengths for conventional steel.
In fact, the Delorean was made completely of stainless steel, but everyone knows it couldn't go faster than 88 mph.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 11:32:13 AM »
In fact, the Delorean was made completely of stainless steel, but everyone knows it couldn't go faster than 88 mph.
You are mistaken. You must has never seen Back to the future. :laugh:
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 12:47:50 PM »
DeLorean had a GM engine making less than 100 HP.  I think power snuck up to 130 HP towards the end of the model run.  For all the sleek designing, the DeLorean was a very heavy car.

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 01:34:29 PM »
DeLorean had a GM engine making less than 100 HP.  I think power snuck up to 130 HP towards the end of the model run.  For all the sleek designing, the DeLorean was a very heavy car.
That wasn't unusual for the time period, actually. After the abolition of leaded gasoline, many sports cars had less than 100 hp, including the Camaro. It took until the nineties for cars to regain their horsepower using unleaded fuel.
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 04:07:21 PM »
That wasn't unusual for the time period, actually. After the abolition of leaded gasoline, many sports cars had less than 100 hp, including the Camaro. It took until the nineties for cars to regain their horsepower using unleaded fuel.
There are many exceptions. The cars built in Europe never were really effected. The 1986 Farrari Testarossa had 400 bhp back in 1986 and legal in the states.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 04:19:41 PM »
True, Europe had already been on unleaded fuel and lower emissions standards for years before the U.S. adopted the Clean Air Act, so Europe already had the technology the U.S. manufacturers had failed to invest in. In fact, this advantage may have been a contributing factor to why imports became so popular in the 1980s and 1990s.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 04:28:22 PM »
True, Europe had already been on unleaded fuel and lower emissions standards for years before the U.S. adopted the Clean Air Act, so Europe already had the technology the U.S. manufacturers had failed to invest in. In fact, this advantage may have been a contributing factor to why imports became so popular in the 1980s and 1990s.
I completely agree. I was able to out run my cousins 82 trans am on my bicycle for about half a block. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 04:36:53 PM »
Maybe it's because I'm a girl, but why would you need to go 200+ miles per hour anyway?  People here can't even control a car at 45 mph. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 04:56:56 PM »
Maybe it's because I'm a girl, but why would you need to go 200+ miles per hour anyway?  People here can't even control a car at 45 mph. 
I use to club race in my twenties and early thirties. The adrenalin after hitting the apex is unsurpassed by most hobbies. :laugh:
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 05:04:49 PM »
Maybe it's because I'm a girl, but why would you need to go 200+ miles per hour anyway?  People here can't even control a car at 45 mph. 
It's not that you would, it's that you can. ;D

No, actually, I'm more excited about the horsepower. Usually the more horsepower a car has, the worse its fuel efficiency. I like that a car with massive horsepower can still be very fuel efficient. I'd like to see a 200hp car on a frame like your Focus's that got 100 mpg. Si se puede!
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Re: 200+ mph sports car also gets 200+ mpg
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 08:06:32 PM »
I'd like to see a 200hp car on a frame like your Focus's that got 100 mpg. Si se puede!

There's a reason they don't make a Focus with 200hp.  An impact in that thing with that kind of power would leave little more than a greasy spot.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2008, 10:13:13 PM »
There's a reason they don't make a Focus with 200hp.  An impact in that thing with that kind of power would leave little more than a greasy spot.
Yeah, true. A lightweight car with that kind of power would really move, but I wouldn't want Ford to make it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 10:20:30 PM »
Diesel powered BMW's like the BMW 120d.  If only US Emissions would allow these cars to cross the pond.  50 MPG is still feasible with diesel at $4.50 a gallon.

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2008, 02:30:02 PM »
nice

I hope they make electric cars this efficient.  At least at the end of a 1000 miles, one can take a long rest and charge for whatever it takes (hopefully just a couple of hours).
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2008, 04:16:06 PM »
There's a reason they don't make a Focus with 200hp.  An impact in that thing with that kind of power would leave little more than a greasy spot.

Ah, But they do make a Ford Focus ST that puts out 225 hp and an RS that is 296 HP. The problem I believe is that they are only available in Europe. I wouldn't mind taking one to the track for a fun weekend. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2008, 05:12:47 PM »
^Presumably people in Europe are better drivers than those here, or at least I hope so! 
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2008, 06:33:08 PM »
^Presumably people in Europe are better drivers than those here, or at least I hope so! 

LoL, you haven't been to Italy have you?   :laugh:
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2008, 06:13:46 PM »
^Presumably people in Europe are better drivers than those here, or at least I hope so! 

LoL, you haven't been to Italy have you?   :laugh:

Nope, but I've been to China where crossing a street is taking your life in your own hands.  ;)  Same thing?
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2008, 06:19:32 PM »
Nope, but I've been to China where crossing a street is taking your life in your own hands.  ;)  Same thing?

Pretty much.  :P

The I-can-go-through-a-red-light-as-long-as-I-lay-on-the-horn was a personal favourite to witness.   :D
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2008, 06:49:06 PM »
Pretty much.  :P

The I-can-go-through-a-red-light-as-long-as-I-lay-on-the-horn was a personal favourite to witness.   :D

I'm surprised we don't get that here.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2008, 07:17:53 PM »
Same thing happens in Athens, Greece - obeying traffic control devices is optional.

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2008, 08:26:56 AM »
I'm surprised we don't get that here.
We don't? ;)
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2008, 02:46:05 PM »
I'm surprised we don't get that here.
We don't? ;)

No, not with as much courtesy as laying on the horn.  Springfield red light runners just act like they never saw you.
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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2008, 08:34:52 PM »
^ Yeah, that's true.
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