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« on: August 15, 2005, 09:15:33 PM »

Are there any of you out there that were once part of Sovereign Grace Ministries headed by C.J. Mahaney in Gaithersburg, MD. But now has over 60 churches. What did you think of it. My impressions were that they are trying to reinvent the church from the ground up. Almost Orthodox without the liturgy, the fathers or the litugical calendar. Well maybe not that Orthodox. Any thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2005, 09:52:39 PM »

Anything with "Grace" and "Ministries" in it smacks of Protestantism.

In fact they do seem quite Protestant on their website, no mention of any links to Orthodoxy: http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2005, 10:07:08 PM »

Anything with "Grace" and "Ministries" in it smacks of Protestantism.

I know you didn't mean it like this, but it made me smirk: heaven forbid we Orthodox should ever be associated with the grace of God!  Wink  But yeah, "essentially reformed yet committed to charismatic practice" sounds Protestant to me...
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2005, 10:12:23 PM »

Went to their website.  Sounds a little like the church I used to go to.  Definitely Reformed Theology (Calvinism, basically), with a little Charismatic flavor thrown in.  From their website:

"Surrounding this core is an emphasis on sound doctrine. We describe our doctrine as being "essentially Reformed," yet including a commitment to charismatic practice as biblically defined..."

"We do believe and cherish the doctrines that historically have been called the "TULIP" (Total depravity; Unconditional election; Limited atonement or, more accurately phrased, particular redemption; Irresistible grace or, more accurately phrased, effectual calling; and Perseverance of the saints). However, we never want to focus on more narrow aspects of Reformed theology to the neglect of truths that are central, and that we share with many other Christians. These truths include the gospel, sola fide (justification by faith alone), and sola Scriptura (Scripture alone as the sole infallible source of doctrine and authority)."


Classic Calvinism.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 08:39:53 AM »

Thanks everybody for responding, but what I wanted to know is there any of you who were members of this cult, I mean church and have since become Orthodox. I was a member well over ten years ago before they changed their name.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2005, 03:29:39 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 04:41:59 PM »

Are there any of you out there that were once part of Sovereign Grace Ministries headed by C.J. Mahaney in Gaithersburg, MD. But now has over 60 churches. What did you think of it. My impressions were that they are trying to reinvent the church from the ground up. Almost Orthodox without the liturgy, the fathers or the litugical calendar. Well maybe not that Orthodox. Any thoughts.

Hi, I realize it has been almost 3 years since this post, but I hope this reply "finds" you. I was a part of Sovereign Grace Ministries (formerly known as PDI at the time you were part of it). Since November 2007, hundreds of people are coming out of the woodwork to finally speak about their experiences in SGM/PDI. It is astounding the results - God is blowing the lid off this CULT. Yes, I said cult. I agree with you absolutely. People who were in the cult for 20 years are speaking out, some join then leave, shorter amounts of itme but find the same authoritarian and sheprding pracrices going on, only they have increased.

The website that started it all was www.sgmsurvivors.com   then www.sgmrefuge.com started, (by two former leaders in SGM, now their blog is a tell-all and attempt to reconcile while calling out the sins of SGM leadership)

I started my own blog too, (www.ikissedsgmgoodbye.blogspot.com) for those currently thinking about leaving, questioning some of the practices, etc. I thought I was losing my mind thinking what I was thinking. Before Nov 2007 you could not find a negative word hardly about SGM. But as the date of your post proves, problems existed even then. But for whatever reason, the Lord has chosen NOW to be the time it all goes public...I hope you are able to find some sense of healing and closure from your experiences there. God bless - we are free in Christ.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 07:15:58 PM »

Are there any of you out there that were once part of Sovereign Grace Ministries headed by C.J. Mahaney in Gaithersburg, MD. But now has over 60 churches. What did you think of it. My impressions were that they are trying to reinvent the church from the ground up. Almost Orthodox without the liturgy, the fathers or the litugical calendar. Well maybe not that Orthodox. Any thoughts.

I never went (although I did attend the ministry (TAG) that Sovereign Grace grew from).  I'm dear friends with the woman who started TAG.   I'm friends with several former and current members of Covent Life (the mother church)  I actually semi-live in a Sovereign Grace neighborhood (some are in the neighborhood that backs up to my house but isn't technically in my neighborhood. They like to buy as groups and take over the neighborhood.  They are very Reformed and anti-Catholic.  However, the kids are all very nice and I'm thankful that we all get along, even with our "questionable beliefs". I've been asked by the kids on several occasion if I'm Catholic.  Grin   I really don't want to say much more but I would never ever want to join Covenant Life.  I felt that way even when I was a Reformed Christian. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 07:21:08 PM »

Hi, I realize it has been almost 3 years since this post, but I hope this reply "finds" you. I was a part of Sovereign Grace Ministries (formerly known as PDI at the time you were part of it). Since November 2007, hundreds of people are coming out of the woodwork to finally speak about their experiences in SGM/PDI. It is astounding the results - God is blowing the lid off this CULT. Yes, I said cult. I agree with you absolutely. People who were in the cult for 20 years are speaking out, some join then leave, shorter amounts of itme but find the same authoritarian and sheprding pracrices going on, only they have increased.

It was also called "People Of Destiny" at one point and there is a double meaning when most of my friends refer to people who go there as "POD people"   (think: Invasion of the Body Snatchers).  Yes, most people I know have a serious problem with their "shepherding practices".
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 07:32:33 PM »

Akk! I had no idea this was an older subject.  Shocked  Should have looked a little closer at the dates and the last response.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 04:56:02 PM »

I transferred this topic from the Convert Issues Forum to the Free For all : Religous issues forum.

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 07:30:11 PM »

CJ Mahaney is a "good friend" of my old pastor at Mars Hill. I would say they are VERY Calvinist and Reformed, and have aligned themselves with the "Emergent" movement a good deal. Do you know who John Piper is? He is a peer of CJ.

I don't like the theology, so I will stop there. But I will say that they are in no way shape or form Orthodox.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 10:57:09 PM »

Are there any of you out there that were once part of Sovereign Grace Ministries headed by C.J. Mahaney in Gaithersburg, MD. But now has over 60 churches. What did you think of it. My impressions were that they are trying to reinvent the church from the ground up. Almost Orthodox without the liturgy, the fathers or the litugical calendar. Well maybe not that Orthodox. Any thoughts.

They're just another stripe of Calvinist.  Josh Harris is a fairly recent convert, I think, to a very popular Calvinist named John Piper.  So, being Calvies they ain't "Orthodox".  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2008, 02:58:25 PM »

Princess...you didn't post to a "dead thread" I revived it a few days ago because I came across it. I appreciate your insights, esp since what you noticed was when they were PDI.

They are definately NOT Orthodox, they aren't even Biblical! They are a group that has been around as you say for over 20 years, but changed their name to Sovereign Grace Ministries less than ten years ago. Their theology is Calvinistic and Charismatic. (although less Charismatic than most).

Your obserbvations are very much like many others - and the buying up neighborhoods is VERY cultish! They do this during church plants very often...I'd stear clear from them, and if you were involved, find help and healing from such authoritarian abuse at the named websites above. Batteredsheep.com is also a good resource.
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