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« on: July 06, 2008, 08:04:49 PM »

Does anyone know if the following is accurate?  Nearly 30 years ago, a chanter (psalti), who was trained somewhere in Greece, told me that when leading into the dismissal of a service, i.e. "Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit now and ever an unto ages of ages, Amen.  Lord Have Mercy (3); Father Give the Blessing," or "Father Bless" is proper.  It is only at a Divine Liturgy that the priest is referred to as "Holy Father..."; "Pater Hagie"  as opposed to "Evlogison Pater."  Is this distinction accurate?  My interest in this issue is not limited to Greek practice.  (By the way, I always insert, "In the Name of the Lord, Father Give...") 
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 08:17:09 PM »

Does anyone know if the following is accurate?  Nearly 30 years ago, a chanter (psalti), who was trained somewhere in Greece, told me that when leading into the dismissal of a service, i.e. "Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit now and ever an unto ages of ages, Amen.  Lord Have Mercy (3); Father Give the Blessing," or "Father Bless" is proper.  It is only at a Divine Liturgy that the priest is referred to as "Holy Father..."; "Pater Hagie"  as opposed to "Evlogison Pater."  Is this distinction accurate?  My interest in this issue is not limited to Greek practice.  (By the way, I always insert, "In the Name of the Lord, Father Give...") 

I hear the "Pater Hagie" in most GOA Churches.  Never heard the "Evlogison Pater."

Other Orthodox Churches usually drop the Holy and say "Father, Give the Blessing."
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 11:40:39 PM »

Does anyone know if the following is accurate?  Nearly 30 years ago, a chanter (psalti), who was trained somewhere in Greece, told me that when leading into the dismissal of a service, i.e. "Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit now and ever an unto ages of ages, Amen.  Lord Have Mercy (3); Father Give the Blessing," or "Father Bless" is proper.  It is only at a Divine Liturgy that the priest is referred to as "Holy Father..."; "Pater Hagie"  as opposed to "Evlogison Pater."  Is this distinction accurate?  My interest in this issue is not limited to Greek practice.  (By the way, I always insert, "In the Name of the Lord, Father Give...") 
The traditional ending is "Evlogison Pater" or "Evlogison Dhespota", which is what is often found in the older manuscripts. This translates simply as "Bless Father" or "Bless Master" without any other additions. The adding of the Hagie to the phrases is only seen in books from the 19th century and on which means it was an addition.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 11:54:05 AM »

I have not been to a Greek-speaking parish, but the several English-speaking ones I have been to have all said merely, "Father bless" or "Master bless."
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 02:41:02 PM »

I have not been to a Greek-speaking parish, but the several English-speaking ones I have been to have all said merely, "Father bless" or "Master bless."

I have heard (Father, Master) give the blessing in addition to (Father, Master) bless in non-GOA Churches.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 02:43:27 PM »

I have heard (Father, Master) give the blessing in addition to (Father, Master) bless in non-GOA Churches.
So have I. I meant that I haven't heard the "holy" part in an English-speaking parish.
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