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« on: June 23, 2008, 08:30:21 PM »

George Carlin mourned as counterculture hero
June 23, 2008, 8:07 PM EST
By John Rogers
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When he shucked the coat and tie for black T-shirts and jeans, grew his hair long and began to riff about those "Seven Words You Can Never Say on TV," George Carlin became more than just the countercultural comedian.

Carlin, who died Sunday of heart failure at 71, took comedy itself in a whole new direction.



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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 08:41:07 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 08:58:11 PM »

You good people continually confound me at every turn!  I really enjoy most of Carlin's material but was always under the impression that Christianity was the perpetual butt of his humour which, and here's the confounding part, I didn't expect to see a Memoriam for him.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 09:10:15 PM »

Memory eternal!

Incidentally, he's human, so we pray for him.  I liked his material too, though I found the baseball vs. football bit far too tedious.  (As far as the content... well... I like Denis Leary, too.   Tongue)
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 10:08:07 PM »

Memory Eternal.

Though, his brand of humour was not really my style.   Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 10:12:16 PM »

Memory eternal and Lord have mercy.

Perhaps he did mock Christianity in his routines.  That should not automatically preclude him from our prayers for the salvation of his soul.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 10:21:33 PM »

Memory eternal and Lord have mercy.

Perhaps he did mock Christianity in his routines.  That should not automatically preclude him from our prayers for the salvation of his soul.

Memory Eternal,

Also I know this might not have changed him but he despised the western concept of God that a lot of atheists I know do. They reject the western concept of God and think that the only other way is atheism instead of a different concept of God. Also I loved George Carlin's routine his one on the 10 commandments is good.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 10:28:13 PM »

Memory eternal. Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 11:18:31 PM »

While we may not all agree with George Carlin's work or all of his theories and positions the man did get get people thinking.  He may have used shocking words and topics to draw the crowds but when you cut through it all there was some real philosophy in his routine.  One of my favorites was "life is a series of dogs." 
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 12:24:17 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 07:14:13 AM »

Eternal be his memory.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 09:07:38 AM »

Also I know this might not have changed him but he despised the western concept of God that a lot of atheists I know do. They reject the western concept of God and think that the only other way is atheism instead of a different concept of God. Also I loved George Carlin's routine his one on the 10 commandments is good.

So what concept of God are the atheists in the East rejecting?

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I did not like his shock humor---with the exception of the football/baseball bit---but he certainly was good at what he did. Rest in peace.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 09:23:54 AM »

So what concept of God are the atheists in the East rejecting?

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I did not like his shock humor---with the exception of the football/baseball bit---but he certainly was good at what he did. Rest in peace.

And I will admit, I had never even heard of the man in my life until i read this! Oh well. We must pray for all men.

I'd like to know the answer to lubeltri's question too. Awhile ago there was a discussion here on soteriology, and someone kindly posted a very interesting Orthodox video series (which was highly educational and enjoyable). However, this Orthodox priest was saying that atheists reject the horrible god portrayed by Augustinian theology etc. etc. etc. NOT the loving, kind God of Orthodox theology. Ironically, within days of watching these videos, I encountered several virulent Atheists-all Greeks and Russians-born and raised Orthodox  Shocked, who mocked me for my beliefs and Orthodox faith. This very question flashed through my mind. Sorry for the derail.  Embarrassed

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 09:59:09 AM »

So what concept of God are the atheists in the East rejecting?

What do you think? The imported Western concept of God!  Tongue
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And I will admit, I had never even heard of the man in my life until i read this! Oh well. We must pray for all men.

I'd like to know the answer to lubeltri's question too. Awhile ago there was a discussion here on soteriology, and someone kindly posted a very interesting Orthodox video series (which was highly educational and enjoyable). However, this Orthodox priest was saying that atheists reject the horrible god portrayed by Augustinian theology etc. etc. etc. NOT the loving, kind God of Orthodox theology. Ironically, within days of watching these videos, I encountered several virulent Atheists-all Greeks and Russians-born and raised Orthodox  Shocked, who mocked me for my beliefs and Orthodox faith. This very question flashed through my mind. Sorry for the derail.  Embarrassed


East and West, people reject God. So many people have had bad experiences of "God" through His followers; misguided parents, teachers, whatever. I don't think that this is a Western or Eastern thing, although there are some ugly concepts of God in the West (I can't speak for the East because I have no experience of it) and I believe these concepts come from a perception of the Christian Church in history; a combination of terrible acts (ie the horrors of the Crusades, witch-hunts etc.) If people want to reject God, people calling themselves Christians have given them every excuse to do so. Some people focus only on that and never really get to the Gospel message and see Christ. In a way, can we really blame them?
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 11:54:24 AM »

May he rest in Peace.

Along with his wonderful bit on the differences between Baseball and Football, and some of his pondering of questions like:

"Why is there no blue food? I can't find blue food - I can't find the flavor of blue! I mean, green is lime; yellow is lemon; orange is orange; red is cherry; what's blue? There's no blue! Oh, they say, "Blueberries!" Uh-uh; blue on the vine, purple on the plate. There's no blue food! Where is the blue food? We want the blue food! They're keeping it from us!"

George Carlin with also be the second Mr. Conductor on "Shining Time Station"/Thomas the Tank Engine which our children adored (a family of railfans)

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 12:00:47 PM »

Memory eternal.

Re the comments about atheists, it's very true - I used to be a moderator at the "Internet Infidels" board (back when I was having some doubts about my faith  Cool) and was constantly amazed at the distorted ideas about God that some "Christian" visitors to the board were using to condemn the atheists and agnostics.

If you're constantly being told -- by Christians -- that there's a wrath-filled being named "God" who is just rubbing His hands together a la "Mr. Burns", waiting eagerly for you to die so He can judge you and throw you into the eternal fires of Hell on the slightest pretext -- you might not get a very good impression of Christianity.  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 12:05:35 PM »

May George Carlin Rest in Peace

Release him from sin and grant him the freedom of your perfect peace. May our brother be with You in the glory of your kingdom on the last day.

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 12:58:43 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2008, 02:27:25 PM »

Memory eternal.

I'll miss the guy; I loved his humor.  I thought his taking religious hucksters and folks who use it for a power trip was dead on.
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May the Lord Forgive His sin's intentional , and un-intentional.....And May His Memory Be Eternal..For there is no man that lives and sin's not....Other than our Blessed God And  And Saviour Jesus Christ......Amen

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2008, 03:10:46 PM »

You good people continually confound me at every turn!  I really enjoy most of Carlin's material but was always under the impression that Christianity was the perpetual butt of his humour which, and here's the confounding part, I didn't expect to see a Memoriam for him.

Neither did I. Huh

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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2008, 03:15:47 PM »

Memory eternal.

I'll miss the guy; I loved his humor.  I thought his taking religious hucksters and folks who use it for a power trip was dead on.

I cold never stomach his fouled mouthed humor. His or anyone elses.

I do not find jokes about the faith of Christ funny either. He was as a comedian to me repulsive.

I am truly very sad for him that he is dead.

Lord have mercy on his soul.
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2008, 04:33:09 PM »

like all of us, he was imperfect, and battled addictions throughout his life.  I could tell from a lot of his standup that he didn't have a really good understanding of Christian theology (or, at least, the Orthodox theology that I grew up learning).  I thought he was way too rough on Christianity.  And yet, he was my favourite standup for most of my life (until Chris Rock became brilliant over the last few years).  I didn't have to agree with everything he said to find him hilarious and find his worldview refreshing.  Best of all was the way he called out the (for lack of a better term) BS that surrounds us daily. 
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Re the comments about atheists, it's very true - I used to be a moderator at the "Internet Infidels" board (back when I was having some doubts about my faith  ) and was constantly amazed at the distorted ideas about God that some "Christian" visitors to the board were using to condemn the atheists and agnostics.

I can understand that. I see that kind of rabid gnashing of teeth on YouTube Comments all the time. When I was an Agnostic myself, I had Christians do the whole Judgement Day routine at me.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 02:31:11 PM »

BS

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Meaning.........
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 03:26:43 PM »

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Meaning......... 

Animal feces (those of a Bull, to be more specific).  BS is used to denote useless and counter-productive information, pandering, superficial rhetoric, false information, and other similar things.

Instead of "let's cut through this fake rhetoric," or "let's go beyond this useless junk," people will say "cut the bs."

Make more sense?
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2008, 02:49:46 PM »

Animal feces (those of a Bull, to be more specific).  BS is used to denote useless and counter-productive information, pandering, superficial rhetoric, false information, and other similar things.

Instead of "let's cut through this fake rhetoric," or "let's go beyond this useless junk," people will say "cut the bs."

Make more sense?

Thanks Yes it does.

One more question:

Does the letters 'B' and 'S' actual represent two seperate words?

If so please note them along with the meanings of each.

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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 04:31:14 PM »

Does the letters 'B' and 'S' actual represent two seperate words?
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B = bull
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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2008, 09:12:31 PM »

I never in my life Heard of him ...I never liked stand up comedian's they allway's if not mostly go for the filthy jokes,,seem's to me every thing is fair game to them........God have mercy on his soul and Gilda Radner's soul as well,
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2008, 09:52:59 PM »

Some of his sayings were just the result of not thinking things through (or else gambling that his audience wouldn't think it through), such as the following:
Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines?
Because people can also walk up to them.

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If the "black box" flight recorder is never damaged during a plane crash, why isn’t the whole damn airplane made out of that s...?
Because titanium is too heavy and in order to get enough lift, we would need more thrust than we are able to engineer.

Others, however, were based on real philosophy, and those were the ones I liked:
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Hmm. I'm still thinking about that one.

Still more were genuine observations of everyday life:
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Many things that are said tell more about the speaker than the subject.

And then he had his corny puns. I liked those too.
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2008, 10:47:30 PM »

If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?
Hmm. I'm still thinking about that one.

Easy. The use of the word succeed is different in both circumstances so the sentence is still logical.
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2008, 08:47:50 AM »



If there were a comedian Mt. Rushmore, who would be on it?

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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2008, 09:32:49 AM »

Yes.

B = bull
S = a profane word for feces, the use of which is forbidden at OC.net

Am I the only one who sees the humor of discussing what words are forbidden ... in a memorial to George Carlin of the "7 Words you can't say on TV" bit?  Grin

Also P.S. just FYI: [steps on soapbox] if you see any lists of jokes floating around the Net credited to him, they might not be his.  At Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/carlingas.asp) he's quoted as saying
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2008, 09:34:57 AM »

Bill Cosby for routines like "Noah" and being a kid

Ian Frazier for his "Laws Concerning Food and Drink; Household Principles; Lamentations of the Father" which is hysterical to anyone who has had small children.

I've found out that one can listen to Frazier reading his "Lamentations" on a Prairie Home Companion program from about 10 years ago here:http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/19980124/ 
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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2008, 09:58:40 AM »

And then he had his corny puns. I liked those too.

The corny pun is the stuff of teacher's jokes... of course you like those!  laugh
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2008, 10:40:35 AM »

If there were a comedian Mt. Rushmore, who would be on it?
Mark Twain, Jonathan Swift, Rowan Atkinson, William Shakespeare. Four of the funniest men ever to write and/or perform in the English language.
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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2008, 10:51:53 AM »

Some of his sayings were just the result of not thinking things through (or else gambling that his audience wouldn't think it through)

I think that Carlin did think things through and that he was playing with the incongruity of things then pointing things out to his audience who laugh because they might not have noticed them before.

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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2008, 11:20:04 AM »

But yet they only seem incongruous until you really stop and think about it. One of the best things about satire is that you laugh initially, then think, and then laugh some more, which makes you really consider the situation. With Carlin's "black box" joke, I laugh initially, then think about it, then think, "Boy was I dumb for laughing. Making an airplane out of titanium is a remarkably stupid idea."

But I believe you're right about Carlin's thinking it through, which is why I included the parenthetical. Carlin did have a penchant for seeing a situation in a way no one else had.
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« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2008, 09:28:33 PM »

With Carlin's "black box" joke, I laugh initially, then think about it, then think, "Boy was I dumb for laughing. Making an airplane out of titanium is a remarkably stupid idea."

But I believe you're right about Carlin's thinking it through, which is why I included the parenthetical. Carlin did have a penchant for seeing a situation in a way no one else had.

Yes, except that he didn't actually *make* this particular joke, or any of the other ones on the list above; in case you missed my earlier post.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2008, 08:58:36 AM »

Yes, except that he didn't actually *make* this particular joke, or any of the other ones on the list above; in case you missed my earlier post.  Roll Eyes
Yet when we ascribe to him things we think are funny, we set him up as being larger-than-life. This is how myths and legends are created. We've seen it with people such as George Washington and Chuck Norris. Surely Carlin is in good company.
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2008, 09:19:23 AM »

Yet when we ascribe to him things we think are funny, we set him up as being larger-than-life. This is how myths and legends are created. We've seen it with people such as George Washington and Chuck Norris. Surely Carlin is in good company.

LOL - yes, and let me be the first to start the rumor that George Carlin chopped down that cherry tree!  Grin

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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2008, 02:25:47 PM »

I never in my life Heard of him ...I never liked stand up comedian's they allway's if not mostly go for the filthy jokes,,seem's to me every thing is fair game to them........God have mercy on his soul and Gilda Radner's soul as well,
she did some raunchy stand up comedy to.....in los vegas....May God Forgive them both their Sin's ,,,and may there memory be eternal......SmileyCentral.com" border="0Never ever rent the video Gilda Radner Live in los vegas...pure filth.......

I concur!

It amazes me that orthodox Christians want to hear the sacrilegious nonsense of these people.

To each his own I guess...

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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2008, 05:28:12 PM »

I concur!

It amazes me that orthodox Christians want to hear the sacrilegious nonsense of these people.

To each his own I guess...

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