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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2008, 08:57:07 PM »

Give up listening to Pink Floyd?  Nope, not gonna happen.
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2008, 09:02:43 AM »

Give up listening to Pink Floyd?  Nope, not gonna happen.

I'm with you, username!  Wink
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2008, 04:31:37 PM »

I don't mean to be offensive, but does hopeful faithful just say completely wacky things all the time? I mean, come on, a little backing up of his ideas would be helpful. He just never gives any explanation....ever. Huh
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2008, 06:51:13 PM »

I don't mean to be offensive, but does hopeful faithful just say completely wacky things all the time? I mean, come on, a little backing up of his ideas would be helpful. He just never gives any explanation....ever. Huh
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2009, 05:00:45 AM »

We forgive you for not knowing the difference between godliness and xenophobia.

Oddly enough, a Google search for this patriarch yielded only one result, a post you yourself wrote here: http://oldbelievers.wetpaint.com/thread/1013675/Vera+Strochilina/post/8307651/Vera+Strochilina. What evidence do we have that he even existed (besides your word of course)?

The patriarch was not merely afraid of foreigners, but things contrary to Orthodoxy. Such musical instruments are simply unchristian. Sadly people do not even know what it means to be Christian these days. Oh, about searching the Internet, many years ago I found this. Look down for the year mentioned and you will see it.

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/Site-prior-to-Easyweb-migration/chrono1.html

This was one of my first sources for the information, now I have so many sources for such things that there is more than enough proof in this area to explain a lot more than most people realize about the topic. Perhaps we will all be able to learn more about this in the near future.

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« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2009, 10:32:29 AM »

Revived after nearly a year...

If so many sources have been found since this thread was started, why were not more of them be put in the above post? Why should we 'be able to learn more' in the 'near future' rather then now, one wonders.   There isn't a character limit here on the forum as there is on Twitter. 

The link provided has one line on the subject with no other links.  Will the "so many sources" be posted soon?
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2009, 12:09:51 PM »

Revived after nearly a year...

If so many sources have been found since this thread was started, why were not more of them be put in the above post? Why should we 'be able to learn more' in the 'near future' rather then now, one wonders.   There isn't a character limit here on the forum as there is on Twitter. 

The link provided has one line on the subject with no other links.  Will the "so many sources" be posted soon?
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2009, 02:32:01 PM »

Of course, I still like some songs from Tool.  Wink

That's funny, Tool is the one band I've felt God really wanted me to junk from my record collection. After reading about how their drummer Danny Carey had spent many thousands of dollars buying up Aleister Crowley memorabilia, and how he put occult symbols on his drumheads to spiritually guide him in performing, I don't see how you could feel their music is anything but satanic.
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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2009, 09:45:08 AM »

I imagine it's not the symbols, but the cymbals (electronic ones) that help him perform better. They're Simmons, a well-known brand among drummers.

Danny Carey's drum set: http://www.dannycarey.org/page2.html
A Simmons electronic drum set: http://www.simmonsdrums.net/sd9k/

In addition, Carey is not the only metal musician who has had a fascination with Alastair Crowley. Ozzy Osbourne's song "Mr. Crowley," from his 1980 album Blizzard of Oz, was about the famous occultist. However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage. One should not make judgments of the real person based upon the stage persona.

To summarize, God has no musical preference, no political preference, and no fashion preference. To say He does is a very Protestant idea, and one that caused me to leave the Protestant church altogether. God is not involved in the minutia, in the inconsequential trivialities of your life. In those, do what you want, without seeking a "sign from God." It's not going to come. Just enjoy the music, and the skilled musicians who play it. Listen to what you like, and don't worry so much about things that ultimately don't matter.
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »

Look at Gene Simmons for example... He is very different from what he's like on stage... Well, in some aspects lol

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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2009, 02:32:26 AM »

However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage. One should not make judgments of the real person based upon the stage persona.

If a musician or artist engages in regularly mocking Christianity and Christ and the saints, claiming that it's still OK to enjoy it because it's a "stage persona" is hard to swallow.
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2009, 11:41:15 AM »

However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage. One should not make judgments of the real person based upon the stage persona.

If a musician or artist engages in regularly mocking Christianity and Christ and the saints, claiming that it's still OK to enjoy it because it's a "stage persona" is hard to swallow.
Perhaps, but then, art often does meet us at our most treasured values. Art inspires emotion, and it's hard to feel emotion about something for which we care little.
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2009, 12:06:02 PM »

However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage.

Not to quibble (okay, I am, but this is the internet Wink ), but Madonna is her real name.  She just doesn't use her surname Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2009, 09:05:57 PM »

Greetings Forum,

The godly Russian Patriarch Joasaph I, in the year 1636 (perhaps we would call him an Old Believer) banned all foreign musical instruments. Joasaph I said that "only bells, drums and horns call the angels, all other musical instruments call the demons". So, by going house to house he had all the devilish instruments loaded up and ceremoniously drug across the river where once there they were all destroyed.

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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2009, 07:50:21 AM »

However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage.

Not to quibble (okay, I am, but this is the internet Wink ), but Madonna is her real name.  She just doesn't use her surname Smiley
I didn't realize that. I hadn't imagined anyone would name a child Madonna.
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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2009, 09:52:45 AM »

However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage.

Not to quibble (okay, I am, but this is the internet Wink ), but Madonna is her real name.  She just doesn't use her surname Smiley
I didn't realize that. I hadn't imagined anyone would name a child Madonna.

She's Italian.  As my wife (also Italian) pointed out, only an Italian would name his/her daughter "Madonna", much like only a Hispanic/Latino would name his son "Jesus". Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2009, 07:42:36 PM »

Speaking of female singers, I've started listening to more songs by Evanescence. Pandora introduced me to more than just their song "Bring Me to Life". A really great group, I especially love their song "Everybody's Fool"... Really shows the problem we create with our celebrities/superstars...
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However, stage performances are within the realm of the performing arts, and although musicians often use their real names (not always, as in the cases of Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, etc.), very often their lives on stage are decidedly different from their lives off stage.

Not to quibble (okay, I am, but this is the internet Wink ), but Madonna is her real name.  She just doesn't use her surname Smiley
I didn't realize that. I hadn't imagined anyone would name a child Madonna.
Madonna simply means "My Lady" in Italian.
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« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2009, 01:04:54 AM »

I didn't realize that. I hadn't imagined anyone would name a child Madonna.

A not-so-rare Greek name for girls is Despina or Despoina, which means Mistress (in the proper sense of the word, not the modern corrupted meaning). Despina is one of the many names used for the Mother of God, both liturgically, and in folk devotions. This name is a close match to the Italian Madonna (Our Lady).
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« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2009, 06:41:14 PM »

There's also Panagiotis; I've seen both men and women with this baptized name.
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« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2009, 08:29:25 PM »

I've started playing the guitar, and have been debating whether or not I want to spend 300$ on an electric guitar... Hoping when I get to college, it can replace video games as my recreational activity. However I dunno if I should get it or not... Thoughts? (Not really saying this is equivalent to the subject of the thread, but still curious as to what everyone thinks i oughta do)
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« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2009, 10:02:12 PM »

As a guitarist, I say buy one, and buy the best one you can afford, even if you have to save a little more to get a good one.

Do not buy a cheap guitar if you know you can get a better one a bit down the line if you save a little more.  One can easily find a used guitar in the $300 to $400 range that is decent and one you'll want to keep for a long time.  Don't make an impulse purchase but test out a number of them.  You won't want to play a guitar that doesn't feel right.
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I've started playing the guitar, and have been debating whether or not I want to spend 300$ on an electric guitar... Hoping when I get to college, it can replace video games as my recreational activity. However I dunno if I should get it or not... Thoughts? (Not really saying this is equivalent to the subject of the thread, but still curious as to what everyone thinks i oughta do)

Get the guitar!!!  You won't regret it.  Learn the basic chords and the pentatonic scale in Em and you are off to the races!!! For that much dough, guitars vary a lot from guitar to guitar, so try a bunch and when you find one that seems to be speaking to you, that's the one.  No other factor matters. And you can get a good guitar for that much money. I have some pretty expensive guitars, PRS, a couple Martins, a Gibson, American Fender, etc. but one of my favorites is a Made in Mexico Jimmy Vaughan Fender Strat that I bought for $350 used, the neck is just sick and I was lucky to get a very resonant body.
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« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2009, 10:57:50 PM »

That's funny, Tool is the one band I've felt God really wanted me to junk from my record collection. After reading about how their drummer Danny Carey had spent many thousands of dollars buying up Aleister Crowley memorabilia, and how he put occult symbols on his drumheads to spiritually guide him in performing, I don't see how you could feel their music is anything but satanic.

I take no issue with tool, but each of us is different, and I may at some point.  It is just hard for me to see Tool as being dangerous after having listened to the most evil and blasphemous black metal for years.  Tool has nothing on the likes of Funeral Mist, Ondskapt, Kriegsmaschine or the like. 

The genre is actually called Orthodox Black Metal because of its strong religious orientation.  This is no petty, childish Laveyan Satanism.  That juvenile racket is no more than a watered-down Ayn Rand steeped in the indulgence of hedonistic sexual taboos.  He just wanted to hook up with soccer moms and to make sure that the whole affair involved candles and leather.  Orthodox Black Metal is Theistic Satanism realized; a passionate devotion toward self-destructive annihilation.  Beware!
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« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2009, 01:26:58 AM »

I will offer other notes later, but for now here are few more.

There was the musical idolatry at Sinai which was not a good thing. Uzzah was killed while transporting the Ark on wheels with musical instruments. Job’s first children were killed while having a party, no doubt using musical instruments. God forbade musical instruments inside the camp of Israel, specifically commanding musical instruments to only be outside the gates in the area of the pagans. The holy prophet Ezekiel attributes the beginning of the devil with the mark of the beast and musical instruments. The minor prophet Amos repeatedly condemned different sorts of instrumental music. In the liturgical New Testament there is no emphasis showing that Christians continued using musical instruments.

Cain’s son Jubal was said to have started using musical instruments. Some suggest that the daughters of men were Cainites who reveled, while the son’s of God were Shethites many of who followed Enoch’s example of taking vows and living as anchorites on a holy mountain.

St. Basil once asked, "Whence is it that we are Christians? Through our faith, would be the universal answer. And in what way are we saved? Plainly because we were regenerate through the grace given in our baptism. No one every forced their way 'into the presence of God' with music and no one is ever said to have been improved by the use of music."

"Where kithara playing and dancing and hand clapping find place, there is the beguiling of men, the corruption of women, the sorrow of angels and a feast for the devil... Today, to all appearances, they sing psalms as God ordained, and tomorrow they will eagerly dance as taught by Satan. Today they contradict Satan and tomorrow they follow him... Let it be far from you that today, as one loving Christ, you listen attentively to the reading of the divine Scripture, and tomorrow as a criminal and a hater of Christ you listen to lyre playing." - St. Ephraim the Syrian

In what appears to be fragments of commentary from the Holy Gospel, Hippolytus says, "I made your ears that ye might hear the Scriptures; and ye prepared them for the songs of demons, and lyres, and jesting."

In the book titled, A Treasury of American Folklore, it says that the devil was the inventor of the violin.

We should know that it takes a great amount of thought bending to believe that all musical instruments facilitate the desire of hearing from God.

Most musical instrumental music creates what might be called a dangerous tranquilizing effect. Very demonic if you ask me.

So beware out there.

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« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2009, 02:07:55 AM »

There was the musical idolatry at Sinai which was not a good thing. Uzzah was killed while transporting the Ark on wheels with musical instruments. Job’s first children were killed while having a party, no doubt using musical instruments. God forbade musical instruments inside the camp of Israel, specifically commanding musical instruments to only be outside the gates in the area of the pagans. The holy prophet Ezekiel attributes the beginning of the devil with the mark of the beast and musical instruments. The minor prophet Amos repeatedly condemned different sorts of instrumental music. In the liturgical New Testament there is no emphasis showing that Christians continued using musical instruments.

Cain’s son Jubal was said to have started using musical instruments. Some suggest that the daughters of men were Cainites who reveled, while the son’s of God were Shethites many of who followed Enoch’s example of taking vows and living as anchorites on a holy mountain.
Methinks you've never read the last three Psalms nor been to Matins to hear these three Psalms recited in the Lauds.

In the book titled, A Treasury of American Folklore, it says that the devil was the inventor of the violin.
Since when was any treasury of folklore an authoritative source of Christian dogma?

Most musical instrumental music creates what might be called a dangerous tranquilizing effect. Very demonic if you ask me.
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Methinks you've never read the last three Psalms nor been to Matins to hear these three Psalms recited in the Lauds.
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Obviously rocks make comfortable places to live under for some people....HopefulFaithful, by your comments, it could be understood that anyone who listens to music other than Liturgical, possibly even Syphonic, could become under the influence of Satan's demons.
Also, although you probably think that the OO church is heretical, One finds that in their liturgy in Ethiopia and on certain feast days, the drum, a tamborine-like instrument, and other instruments straight from the days of King David are used.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2009, 12:26:00 PM »

I will offer other notes later, but for now here are few more.

But when will the supposed supporting sources be posted?

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It wasn't anything "musical" that killed Uzzah, nor was it wheels.  It was because he touched it with his hand.

1 Chronicles 13:9
"9 When they came to the threshing-floor of Chidon, Uzzah put out his hand to hold the ark, for the oxen shook it. 10The anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; he struck him down because he put out his hand to the ark; and he died there before God."

Passages of the Bible can be easily checked to find out what happened so that mis-statements can be avoided. 

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There is no information at all in the book of Job as to whether Job's family were "using musical instruments".  It is your interpretation and based on nothing that is actually in the text.  Therefore, there is indeed "doubt".

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The holy prophet Ezekiel attributes the beginning of the devil with the mark of the beast and musical instruments.

Please give us the passage that you have in mind when making this interpretation.

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In the liturgical New Testament there is no emphasis showing that Christians continued using musical instruments.

This fits under the "Argument from Silence".

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Cain’s son Jubal was said to have started using musical instruments.

Who said this please?

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Who are those who made this suggestion?   

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Please cite where he wrote this.  What was the context?

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You can give a book of folklore as a source, but you cannot give others?  There are lots of legends and folk tales that are just that and not some kind of historical fact of origin. Violins came out of the string family of instruments such as the Byzantine Lira and the Rebec.  What we know as the violin seems to have started in northern Italy in the 1500s.

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Most musical instrumental music creates what might be called a dangerous tranquilizing effect. Very demonic if you ask me.


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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2009, 12:48:01 PM »

Having looked at Mr. Alden's website (revealing in itself) and read a number of his posts on this forum, it's evident that he finds safety in living in this pretend world of his. It's a world that is black and white... defined rigidly by the few who have found the "truth" and the many who are obviously lost. Fortunately for Mr. Alden, he is amongst those who are on the inside of this pretend Ark of safety. So... he pretends to be what he isn't: an Old Believer living a couple of hundred years ago. His problem is... he posts using a computer... he includes photographs which he claims are evil but justifies such as temporary abberations useful to educate the many bound for hell. In short, it's my opinion that he is best dismissed as part of what is sometimes called: the lunatic fringe.
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2009, 08:13:23 PM »

Fortunately for Mr. Alden, he is amongst those who are on the inside of this pretend Ark of safety.

May we all find good health.

I do not believe that I am in any Ark of safety, there are many misconceptions about me. People personally mock me on this forum. I do not mock any one person, but all of us. We are all lunatics if we believe that the inventions of men, like modern music, are godly.

It is clear that mankind only gets worse and worse, that the days are more evil than ever. What kind of persons ought we to be? The Holy Gospel explains that only a few enter into eternal joy. If others want to preach a false gospel that is their choice.

For me there is no doubt that New-Rite Orthodoxy is unsafe. I am not going to bother making a long personal defense here now, but the truth is that many people from around the world are thankful for my small efforts. For all of them, and others in the near future, I will struggle here among the worldly minded Orthodox for a little while longer. I was received in baptism among you in the New-Rite, but I now am learning of Old Orthodoxy. I am presently in transistion.

Let’s not fool ourselves, modern music is far from Christ. We all make mistakes from time to time, but nobody has ever disproven Old Orthodoxy. There is a big difference between personal mistakes that are repented of and the lifelong embrace of things contrary to Christ.

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« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2009, 08:30:15 PM »

 Hopeful Faithful - Why do you refuse to refute Douglas and Ebor, Answer their questions. Precisely what is it that you cling to, your own understanding or that of Christ?
 
There are many things which are not mentioned in the Gospels which are good and correct. Many things which are not explained for us which we must figure out on our own and music brings much gladness to hearts of men when we who have GOD-given talents to do so. Be aware of yourself and what you speak. Is it an opinion, something which you mimic, or based solely on scripture. I am not bashing you but coming to you with an open heart and asking you to prove your standing as scripturally sound. I believe this is a good discussion. 
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« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2009, 08:38:02 PM »

If asking questions and asking for more information and sources comes across as "mocking", that is certainly not my intention.  Nor is offering exact quotes from the Scriptures to show what the precise wording is in the referenced passages meant to deride.  Rather I post them in the interests of truth and real verifiable information.
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« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2009, 08:50:02 PM »

If I get an electric guitar... I think it's gonna be a Ibanez GRG-170


Also thought about a Les Paul Special II, but I don't think I could play the metal that I sometimes listen to... Nor it would be easy to play things by groups like Evanescence or Tool... But I do like a lot of music from guitars like it... Especially Sweet Child O Mine...
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« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2009, 08:51:16 PM »

Hopeful Faithful - Why do you refuse to refute Douglas and Ebor, Answer their questions. Precisely what is it that you cling to, your own understanding or that of Christ?
 
There are many things which are not mentioned in the Gospels which are good and correct. Many things which are not explained for us which we must figure out on our own and music brings much gladness to hearts of men when we who have GOD-given talents to do so. Be aware of yourself and what you speak. Is it an opinion, something which you mimic, or based solely on scripture. I am not bashing you but coming to you with an open heart and asking you to prove your standing as scripturally sound. I believe this is a good discussion. 

I think that Douglas and Ebor are their own best refute, it is not like I never post a reply. I am not here to argue unendingly. I think that what I have offered is enough. Perhaps in time I will add another post. My opinion is not what matters, Orthodoxy matters. I do not base my beliefs soley on what others call scripture, but on the historical continuity, changelessness of faith and the commitment towards doctrine as seen throughout Old Orthodoxy. The practices found in the New-Rite do contradict Christ, the leading of the Holy Spirit, not to mention the god-bearing fathers. I do not want to take personal offense but merely have shown some answers to the question in the title of this thread. If others do not see the proof then they do not see it. I think there is personal attack here, which I will always work to stay away from. I think the proof is really on the other foot here, as with so many other threads. There is no good example of modern style music in the life of any Orthodox Christian.

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« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2009, 10:11:16 PM »

I think that Douglas and Ebor are their own best refute, it is not like I never post a reply.
They're not asking you to post more replies.  They're asking you to cite more authoritative sources outside of yourself, and enough of each source to show that you're not misrepresenting it intentionally.

I am not here to argue unendingly. I think that what I have offered is enough.
You have a number of posters here who argue that you have not offered enough.  If you really want to convince us of the truth of your position, then I urge you to actually engage the criticisms others have made of your arguments and give them the information they have requested.

Perhaps in time I will add another post. My opinion is not what matters, Orthodoxy matters.
But you have not proven to our satisfaction that your position truly represents Orthodoxy.

I do not base my beliefs soley on what others call scripture, but on the historical continuity, changelessness of faith and the commitment towards doctrine as seen throughout Old Orthodoxy. The practices found in the New-Rite do contradict Christ, the leading of the Holy Spirit, not to mention the god-bearing fathers.
We see this argument all the time, and not just from you.  Can you prove it?  So far, you've done nothing to even engage our objections to your claims, much less actually overcome them.  Maybe you should actually follow Ebor's advice and cite authoritative sources outside yourself.

I do not want to take personal offense but merely have shown some answers to the question in the title of this thread. If others do not see the proof then they do not see it. I think there is personal attack here, which I will always work to stay away from. I think the proof is really on the other foot here, as with so many other threads. There is no good example of modern style music in the life of any Orthodox Christian.

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You are the one here on this thread trying to persuade us to embrace a particular point of view.  According to the rules of debate, this puts the burden of proof squarely on you.  It is your task to prove to us that what you offer us is true and desirable.  There is no personal attack here, just the natural response to someone who repeatedly asserts a thesis that he simply refuses to defend with solid evidence.  Again, Ebor has provided very good guidelines for how to defend your thesis here on this thread (and elsewhere); I urge you strongly, then, to heed her criticisms and follow the guidelines she has set for you.
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« Reply #80 on: July 13, 2009, 12:23:48 AM »

If I get an electric guitar... I think it's gonna be a Ibanez GRG-170
Not a bad choice. It's got a nice sound, and it's pretty versatile as well. It's actually a cheaper version of the RG, sort of like Gibson's Epiphone Les Paul. I would suggest getting the RG if you can find one on consignment. Just check all the music shops you can find. I got my Gibson L6S for only $400, which is less than the Epiphone Les Pauls were going for at the time. Just something to think about.
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« Reply #81 on: July 13, 2009, 08:15:15 AM »

thx! I had actually rethought it over and was not actually thinking about the Les Paul Special II... After hearing more ppl play it, as well as reading that one of my favorite players, Zakk Wylde plays one similar (of course, a different guitar that is more expensive and customed), as well as artists like Slash and the lead guitarist from Tool. (as well as many others)

Plus the attractive thing about the Les Paul Special II is that it can come in a pack with the chord, the case, the amplifier as well as pitch pipe. All for about $400-$450.
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« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2009, 12:42:40 PM »

Give up listening to Pink Floyd?  Nope, not gonna happen.

We all make our choices as to how we live.

The Holy Gospel is clear that if we are to follow Christ we must forsake everything else.

I remember buying my first music CD in the year 1984, it was the double CD by Pink Floyd, The Wall.

Getting rid of it over 20 years ago is something that has never been regretted.

After that I will never forget admonishing one of my neoOrthodox priests after he had given his teenage son a portable CD player for their new style Christmas. This manufactured device was then carried into the next liturgy and played around with, while a Grateful Dead album of songs was inside it. What an abomination. These are the things which any self-respecting Orthodox Christian ought to runaway from. The priest did not correct me, but made sure his son never brought such a thing into worship again. I should have seen the extent of the Great Apostasy and Antichrist long before that, but I learn slowly. Hopefully we might all learn to live our entire lives more strictly, it would not hurt us.

Here is something from St. Ephraim the Syrian that should make us think twice.

The one gifted with divine wisdom and understanding will easily notice when the Antichrist comes. But the one immersed in things of this world, the one who loves what is worldly, shall not be able to do so. Those who are married to the affairs of this life will hear the Word but not know the truth. If anyone preaches it, in fact, they will hate him.

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« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2009, 01:28:32 PM »

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« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2009, 02:04:16 PM »

It is one thing to have opinions/convictions that lead us to conquer our passions through podvigs which we have taken upon ourselves. It is quite another to coerce others to do what we have chosen for ourselves.  If we are to admonish our brothers and sisters in Christ, should we do it by the sweat of our own brow and be a example - if and when they find out by CHANCE that we have accepted these podvigs? Or should be like the pharisee, shout from the rooftops to others about our fasting, praying, obeying the Laws of Moses and Christ, and spiritual obediences of our Spitirutal Fathers?

Let us then take up our Crosses and follow Christ. Let us live in the ways according to our consciences and according to the things which God has written on our hearts and in the Scriptures and lives of the Saints. But I will accept the Harlot and Theif as my friends, no, as better than myself, for I am the lowliest of creatures and God has not yet despised me. It is in Fact that He has been turning me to Him, and His life through me regenerates my soul further with every day which I take breath.

I am a sinner who has chosen to follow Christ and His ways. May He show me the errors of my ways. But as of yet, He has not taught me the evils of Jazz or Melodies created through Instrumental Music. I am not induced to do any other thing than to praise His holy name when I hear the amazing talents of Man through His gifts given to us by God.
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« Reply #85 on: July 13, 2009, 02:11:24 PM »

I will say however, that the lyrics to many songs are definitely not ok... Vicarious by Tool is an example. I absolutely love the guitar in the song, but hate the lyrics which talk about a love for watching violence, pain, conflict. While the main line goes: "Cause I need to watch things die, from a distance, Vicariously, I live as the whole world dies."

Songs like that, and also those by groups like Disturbed totally kill the instrumentation in them. It's just sad how one can make a masterpiece w/ a guitar like that, then totally demolish it with the words put on top of it.

I'd be willing to bet that if Jesus took up carpentry when young, he or Joseph would'ave made musical instruments. I also bet that instruments would have been playing at the wedding in Cana. Not to mention the hundreds of instances in the Old Testament speaking out music/instruments... Even Revelation includes them.
Of course, you could argue that those are to glorify God and not soley for leisure. But I'm sure even David would have wrote more secular tunes and played them.
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« Reply #86 on: July 13, 2009, 04:19:24 PM »

...............I wouldn't go that far. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2009, 04:38:52 PM »

After I read the ending part about scripture I thought...
"Wow that sounded very Protestant"... Argh, I really want to get back to St. Thomas, living for three months w/ my Protestant parents and co-workers is really messing me up and rubbing off on me... (though nothing against any of them)
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« Reply #88 on: July 13, 2009, 04:42:34 PM »

I'm sure even David would have wrote more secular tunes and played them.

I do seem to recall that as a young man he was brought into the courts of King Saul to play his lyre in order to calm Saul's troubled spirit. Evidently music can bring peace to the spirit.

16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
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« Reply #89 on: July 13, 2009, 05:18:00 PM »

TA-DA!  Grin sorry I doubted.
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