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What is the eastern orthodox and oriental Orthodox opinion and belief on the Catholic Belief Spouse of The Holy Spirit....Has any Holy Early Church Father Called Mary This.......????SmileyCentral.com" border="0
« Last Edit: June 17, 2008, 11:14:53 PM by stashko »
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 11:27:07 PM »
Here is an article by Monsignor Charles M. Mangan for those who do not quite understand what Roman Catholics mean by such terminology; remember to take into account things such as the Roman Catholic view on Original Sin, etc.

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=3013
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 12:27:16 AM »
Here is an article by Monsignor Charles M. Mangan for those who do not quite understand what Roman Catholics mean by such terminology; remember to take into account things such as the Roman Catholic view on Original Sin, etc.

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=3013
What I read in the article makes the Theotokos out to be the perfect example of what we are all to strive to be: so in tune with the Holy Spirit that His will becomes ours, nothing more and nothing less.  The article's concluding paragraph:

We glorify the Eternal Father by our oneness with the Holy Spirit. Our Blessed Mother has already shown us the way to union with Christ: submission to the Lord in everything! Such a gesture, rooted in grace, on our part signals our commitment to live as sons and daughters of God the Father, brothers and sisters of Jesus the Son of God, temples and—in analogous fashion—spouses of the Holy Spirit, and sons and daughters of the Ever-Virgin Mary, who has paved the road for our rightful surrender to the Lord.

Maybe the language "spouse of the Holy Spirit" isn't language we Orthodox have ever used to describe the Theotokos, but how is the above sentiment not Orthodox?
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 12:36:26 AM »
By saying that saying it seem's jesus has two father's or can be interpeded as such..?????SmileyCentral.com" border="0
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 01:20:53 AM »
By saying that saying it seem's jesus has two father's or can be interpeded as such..?????SmileyCentral.com" border="0
To read in the article any implication that Jesus is also the Son of the Holy Spirit is quite the stretch indeed, and to think that the article could even be interpreted that way is even more of a stretch.  IMO, you really have to approach the article with an already incredibly strong anti-Catholic prejudice to see what you claim to see.  I've read the whole article myself, and I see nothing that contradicts Orthodox teaching whatsoever, except maybe the Latin concept of original sin and the allusion to the Immaculate Conception.
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 03:14:25 AM »
What do you make of the term "Immaculate Mediatrix" (from the article), especially when taking into consideration the Scriptural verse: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5)?

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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 04:26:49 AM »
The Mother of God is frequently referred to liturgically (in the texts of her feasts, and in the Theotokia/Bogorodicheni written in her honour, as the bride of God, but NEVER as the spouse of the Holy Spirit. This cannot be accidental.
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 09:41:45 AM »
To read in the article any implication that Jesus is also the Son of the Holy Spirit is quite the stretch indeed, and to think that the article could even be interpreted that way is even more of a stretch.  IMO, you really have to approach the article with an already incredibly strong anti-Catholic prejudice to see what you claim to see.  I've read the whole article myself, and I see nothing that contradicts Orthodox teaching whatsoever, except maybe the Latin concept of original sin and the allusion to the Immaculate Conception.

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I didn't read the article ,i won't ,i started to but the imaculate mediatrix stopped me from going further in the article....i was commenting on the title spouse of the Holy Spirit,,,that it could be interpreted as such...that's all...chill brotherSmileyCentral.com" border="0
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 09:45:17 AM »
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I didn't read the article ,i won't ,i started to but the imaculate mediatrix stopped me from going further in the article....i was commenting on the title spouse of the Holy Spirit,,,that it could be interpreted as such...that's all...chill brother

So in other words, your anti-Catholic bias is so strong that you won't evaluate what the article says on its own merits and instead simply make a decision without knowing anything about it.
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Re: Spouse of the Holy Spirit Blasphemes or not according to orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 12:25:14 PM »
What do you make of the term "Immaculate Mediatrix" (from the article), especially when taking into consideration the Scriptural verse: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5)?
I have only heard the term Mediatrix used by Catholics, so I think they would need to define it first. It seems that so much of our terminology is different, or else we use the same term to mean different things, that communication is difficult.
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