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« on: May 15, 2008, 11:26:59 AM »

If anyone on the forum speaks Romanian, I need some help. My wife comes from a Romanian pentecostal background. Her family has had a very difficult time with us becoming Orthodox. Being an American, I don't speak Romanian very well, and my wife has a difficult time articulating the faith in the Romanian language to her family. Since a good portion of her family doesn't speak English, I can't communicate what the Orthodox church teaches to them.

I would like to find some good Orthodox articles or sermons which explain the faith in a gracious and articulate way in the Romanian language. I have some sermons by Elder Cleopa, but my wife says he can be very harsh, which I think would put her family on the defensive. So, if anyone knows of any sermons in Romanian I could download or buy, or good articles in Romanian about the on the basics of our faith (such as the church, icons, church history, etc), I would greatly appreciate it.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 11:45:53 AM »

I might assume you have these sites bookmarked already. But just in case, here are a few (very good ones I might add). There are Romanian/English versions on some of these, also.

http://www.romarch.org/

http://www.crestinism-ortodox.ro/

http://www.patriarhia.ro/
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 12:40:25 PM »

This is a good site, mostly aimed at Baptists, Pentecostals and the like:
http://www.ortho-logia.com/
But, from my dealings with them, it seems to me that most of the Romanian Baptists, Pentecostals etc, left the OC not so much for dogmatic reasons, as for instance,  the priest not being an example of Christian piety, rampant alcoholism, superstitions encouraged by the clergy and what they think as being a too great tolerance of the OC towards all sorts of sins.
I've met so many Romanian Evangelicals that actually said this: "the dogmas of the Orthodox Church are all good and fine, it's a pity that almost nobody cares to actually learn and live them."
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 12:55:53 PM »

Hey OB,

If I may simply share something with you that has probably already occured to you...  There are several Romanian pentecostals that I speak with at least once a month ranging from a professor at OTC to several laborers and a very wealthy businessman.  I have had the pleasure of talking with them at length about Christianity in Romania and they all tell me the same thing about the old country they left.  Because they belong to a minority (at least when they were living in Romania) they were often made fun of, harassed, and even worse.  So the problem, as I see it, is two-fold. Not only are we asking them to give up what their parents and grandparents taught them (and as you know, family is everything in Romania), we are asking them to consider that their harassers faith may be correct.  Now of course,  the folks who harassed them were not good Orthodox Christians, but they may not see it that way.  If, as a minority, you perceive the majority of your countrymen as being against you, well, you probably won't be receptive (at first) to their message.  So I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're in-laws have two hurdles to overcome- cultural and religious.  And in Romania, the two are often intertwined.

I found on youtube some Romanian fathers you might want to use to help you (all with English subtitles).  If you can't find them under Fr. so and so, try elder so and so.

Fr. Iustin Parvu of Petru Voda
Fr. Ioanichia Balan
Fr. Arsenie Papacioc
Fr. Dumitru Staniloae
Fr. Sofian Boghiu
Fr. Adrian Fageteanu

In addition, my gf brought from Chicago a dvd with all of these Frs. (plus a few more) speaking on a wide range of topics.  Unfortunately (for me), it's completely in Romanian so I can't understand them. Sad  If you want, I can loan you the dvd so you can make a copy.  Either PM or call me.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 12:57:40 PM »

I've met so many Romanian Evangelicals that actually said this: "the dogmas of the Orthodox Church are all good and fine, it's a pity that almost nobody cares to actually learn and live them."
I've heard that as well.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 05:12:09 PM »

Ah yes the penerecostals, another american made heresy exported, leading many to damnation.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 06:25:41 PM »

This is a good site, mostly aimed at Baptists, Pentecostals and the like:
http://www.ortho-logia.com/
But, from my dealings with them, it seems to me that most of the Romanian Baptists, Pentecostals etc, left the OC not so much for dogmatic reasons, as for instance,  the priest not being an example of Christian piety, rampant alcoholism, superstitions encouraged by the clergy and what they think as being a too great tolerance of the OC towards all sorts of sins.
I've met so many Romanian Evangelicals that actually said this: "the dogmas of the Orthodox Church are all good and fine, it's a pity that almost nobody cares to actually learn and live them."

This is very true. So, what can be done about it? Why the rampant alcoholism, superstitions,and tolerance towards all sorts of sins? If Orthodoxy is so powerful, why isn't it producing people who are living holy and moderate lives? Why so much "wildness" of behaviour?  I think the Church would have so much more respect if the world could see more evidence of a Church emphasizing the new birth and people with lives full of the fruit of the Spirit...
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 06:54:27 PM »

Dear Rose, The west is known for its wild behavior. The least wild behavior comes from non-christian countries such as Japan. Now if they think Roumania has problem let me send them to the bible belt were teenage pregnancy and abortion is rampant or let me send them to Mardi Gras, or worst the homosexual city of San Francisco. Pentecostalism has its roots in Los Angelos, one of the most sinful cities in the worls, the center of the porn trade.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 07:13:59 PM »

I suppose, B. But it wasn't this way at all in my former faith. Nearly everyone took their faith seriously. We didn't drink, smoke,carouse, and were taught that intimacy is to wait until after marriage. We were taught to dress and behave modestly. Only amongst the Russian baptists and pentecostals did I see such sobriety being taught to the youth  in Eastern Europe. Obviously, this is the way the Romanians feel who leave the Orthodox Church for the Evangelicals. I know, because I've worshipped with Romanian Baptists in Romania and I've seen their faithful, Christian witness. I have much respect for them even though I chose to become Orthodox.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 07:22:21 PM »

Why the rampant alcoholism, superstitions,and tolerance towards all sorts of sins? If Orthodoxy is so powerful, why isn't it producing people who are living holy and moderate lives? Why so much "wildness" of behaviour?  I think the Church would have so much more respect if the world could see more evidence of a Church emphasizing the new birth and people with lives full of the fruit of the Spirit...

Hi Rosehip,

This 'tolerance' towards sin is, IMO and for the most part, simply a perception by some Romanian pentecostals.  Romanian Orthodox have, and will continue God willing, to produce many wonderful, loving saints.  There are also thousands of devout Orthodox believers.  Her Hierarchs and priests (for the most part) are doing all that they can but they have some hurdles of their own to overcome.  The Communist regime did much to destroy Holy Orthodoxy.  Priests, monks and nuns were harassed and murdered.  Monasteries were shut down.  The believing lay people were harassed and imprisoned.  The list goes on and on.  Now, almost 20 years after the fall of Communism and just barely before Orthodoxy had much time to recover, they face a new adversary: secularism/capitalism.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 07:32:47 PM »

I suppose, B. But it wasn't this way at all in my former faith. Nearly everyone took their faith seriously. We didn't drink, smoke,carouse, and were taught that intimacy is to wait until after marriage. We were taught to dress and behave modestly. Only amongst the Russian baptists and pentecostals did I see such sobriety being taught to the youth  in Eastern Europe. Obviously, this is the way the Romanians feel who leave the Orthodox Church for the Evangelicals. I know, because I've worshipped with Romanian Baptists in Romania and I've seen their faithful, Christian witness. I have much respect for them even though I chose to become Orthodox.

It goes both ways, from my greek family, and my personal witness it is the protestants who are immoral, who claim "being born again" after years of drug abuse, alcoholism, crime and even protitution, who in reality are very liberal in moral values and even relapse into them. I cant say i have ever met protestants such as yourself accept as i said, after years of partying and drug abuse, who then became 'born again' since the faith of their youth wasnt good enough.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2008, 07:34:45 PM »

I suppose, B. But it wasn't this way at all in my former faith. Nearly everyone took their faith seriously. We didn't drink, smoke,carouse, and were taught that intimacy is to wait until after marriage. We were taught to dress and behave modestly. Only amongst the Russian baptists and pentecostals did I see such sobriety being taught to the youth  in Eastern Europe. Obviously, this is the way the Romanians feel who leave the Orthodox Church for the Evangelicals. I know, because I've worshipped with Romanian Baptists in Romania and I've seen their faithful, Christian witness. I have much respect for them even though I chose to become Orthodox.
You do make some very good points here.  Although Orthodoxy is not teetotaling as are the pentecostals and Baptists, we do tend to over-indulge at times.  My priest has said we've had a few instances where some of the Russians and Ukrainians were uneasy around alcohol because of alcoholic family members.  My Romanian gf's own father was/is an alcoholic and, subsequently, she's not totally comfortable around alcohol, especially in the Church.  This Pascha, I had a couple of beers at church during the celebration afterwords.  When I saw her the next day, she said something that really made me stop and think, "Can't there be ONE place in the entire world without alcohol?"   And regarding smoking?  Absolutely nasty and disgusting, addictive carcinogenic habit that Orthodox Christians should refrain from partaking of, IMO.  
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 12:26:27 AM »

Pentecostalism has its roots in Los Angelos, one of the most sinful cities in the worls, the center of the porn trade.
Kind of like the Corinthian Church.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 01:57:52 AM »

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I have some sermons by Elder Cleopa, but my wife says he can be very harsh
Well I remember that he is even calling "the sectarians" "hornless devils' somwhere Grin
This is very true. So, what can be done about it? Why the rampant alcoholism, superstitions,and tolerance towards all sorts of sins? If Orthodoxy is so powerful, why isn't it producing people who are living holy and moderate lives? Why so much "wildness" of behaviour?  I think the Church would have so much more respect if the world could see more evidence of a Church emphasizing the new birth and people with lives full of the fruit of the Spirit...
Well probably most of the  Romanian Orthodox don't have these problems, and even when they have them it is stupid to blame the Orthodox Church for every of these issues. the causes are more complex, but blaming the ROC has proven quite a useful tool in making proselytism. And the  sins they see in the Orthodox do not lack even among themselves;
Their pastors I would say, live a more opulent life now than most of the orthodox priests, with frequent travels to the USA, with money coming from there etc.
It is sad that most of the Romanian Baptists aren't even aware of how this faith came over there: the basis was laid at the end of the Dual Monarchy in Transylvania, when the Hungarian government was devising new plans of how to destroy the remarkable  unity of the Transylvanian Romanians who beloinged to either the Orthodox or the Greek Catholic Churches, both of them staunch defenders against the plans of Magyarization, cooked up in Budapest. Then  the Hungarian authorities invited and encouraged German and Hungarian Baptist missionaries to work among the Romanians, the ultimate goal being that those leaving the OC or the GCC, would loose their national identity. Things didn't work out exactly as planned, foe many reasons, but that doesn't change the basic fact that Baptism, in Transylvania, Partium, Banat and Bukovina was a Hungarian sponsored enterprise.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 03:04:37 AM »

Ah yes the penerecostals,
I'm not sure if you meant anything by the above misspelling, but the possible double entendre within it really bothers me.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 08:57:40 AM »

You could show them these articles. I haven't read them, I only skimmed through them:
http://www.credo.ro/credinta.php
http://www.romarch.org/credinta.php
http://www.nistea.com/intrebari-raspunsuri-ortodoxie.htm

Very good sites, but where you will also find articles with an acid tone:
http://www.sfaturiortodoxe.ro/
http://www.crestinortodox.ro/


What I've seen is that they know almost nothing about Orthodox theology and spread lies and misconceptions or generalize the bad aspects in Romanian Orthodox Christians' life.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 09:08:29 AM »

Ah yes the penerecostals, another american made heresy exported, leading many to damnation.

I don't see how this is helpful to Orthodox Bagpiper's request for information to help his family, not condemn them.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 11:39:05 PM »

Dear Rose, The west is known for its wild behavior. The least wild behavior comes from non-christian countries such as Japan.

 Huh Huh  On what do you base this statement please? Have you lived in Japan?

Do you know what the abortion rate is for that country, for example or why women there have abortions? Sake is an alcoholic beverage and beer is one of the most common things for adult males to drink. 


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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2008, 12:23:58 AM »

The fact remains that abortion is rampant among christian countries due to free choice unlike China (its low in japan, just as crime, teenage pregnancy and divorce is low,  which is under 10% compared to 50% in America). Christians countries are actually post-christian and there hallmark is immorality. You cannot compare the morals of middleastern countries or Japan with that of the west, where not only family values are basically non existant but in many cases families are non-existant. Its true that Orthodox nations have some of the highest rates of abortion in the world (Roumania leading the pack) but its also true that the highest rate of abortion in America is found in the bible belt, as well as divorce and poverty.  But this is not discussed in the paradign of spreading the gospel, because the ecumenists prefer to brainwash their fellow christians into believing that disunity among various christian factions is the scandal which is preventing the rest of the non-western world from embracing christianity.  Other sects such as in the OP attempt to brainwash the downtrodden into believing there version of christianity is better , and by embracing their version, magically all their problems will go away when in reality back at home these sects are prime examples of disfunction. Unfortunately the ecumenists just like the missionizing sects refuse to understand why other societies dont see anything special in Christianity (unless they bribe the indigenous to convert by offering them free food and a medical clinic and a dose of propaganda). The protestant sects , the Orthodox and the RC are not scandalizing non-christian lands by their disunity just like Buddhists are not scandalizing us by their disunity. Im not going to jump and become a buddhist if they announce that Tibetan buddhism and the more ancient Theravada buddhism have unified. Would anyone on this forum care, let alone convert to buddhism if such a thing happened??? Why do we arrogantly assume if Instanbul and Rome unite, the brown people of Singapore or Calcutta  or Beijing will line up to join our religion? (except that maybe the ecumenists think well have a bigger pool of money to spend on propagandizing them, while the sects think there high western standard of living can be used to show God is on their side) The world nor christianity revolves around us western folk.

But as Ghandi said, "It is my firm opinion that Europe does not represent the spirit of God or Christianity but the spirit of Satan. And Satans successes are the greatest when he appears with the name of God on his lips."

And again when someone asked Ghandi why he doesnt become a christian, he replied, "Oh I dont reject your Christ. I love your Christ. Its just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Ghandi sums up the consensus of his people, and we should examine as to why they think this of us.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2008, 12:39:44 AM »

^^ So how does the above give the Bagpiper the answers he sought in his OP?  Maybe that's what we should be trying to provide on this thread.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2008, 12:45:49 AM »

my previous post was more of a response to reply#17 by Ebor than the original post. Bagpiper is doing precisely what he has to do,  living the Orthodox faith by example. He knows the accusations go both ways, Christ said to take the speck out of your own eye before trying to take it out of your brothers eye. He just has to convince his family that its the same thing with pentecostals in America who also happen to be in a more advanced country so there should be less of an excuse. This is what i want to point out.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2008, 08:21:24 AM »

^ Which was a response your your #7, which was a response to Rosehip's #6, which was a response to the tangent you started in reply #5--a tangent which is condemning and derogatory toward many people and is not helping Orthodox Bagpiper with his dilemma. Now stay on topic or find another thread for this.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2008, 08:39:44 AM »

Well I remember that he is even calling "the sectarians" "hornless devils' somwhere ;DWell probably most of the  Romanian Orthodox don't have these problems, and even when they have them it is stupid to blame the Orthodox Church for every of these issues. the causes are more complex, but blaming the ROC has proven quite a useful tool in making proselytism. And the  sins they see in the Orthodox do not lack even among themselves;
Their pastors I would say, live a more opulent life now than most of the orthodox priests, with frequent travels to the USA, with money coming from there etc.
It is sad that most of the Romanian Baptists aren't even aware of how this faith came over there: the basis was laid at the end of the Dual Monarchy in Transylvania, when the Hungarian government was devising new plans of how to destroy the remarkable  unity of the Transylvanian Romanians who beloinged to either the Orthodox or the Greek Catholic Churches, both of them staunch defenders against the plans of Magyarization, cooked up in Budapest. Then  the Hungarian authorities invited and encouraged German and Hungarian Baptist missionaries to work among the Romanians, the ultimate goal being that those leaving the OC or the GCC, would loose their national identity. Things didn't work out exactly as planned, foe many reasons, but that doesn't change the basic fact that Baptism, in Transylvania, Partium, Banat and Bukovina was a Hungarian sponsored enterprise.

Yes, I remember pointing out to Pentacostal and Baptist Romanians that is was obvious that Pentacostalism and Baptists were foreign imports from their names: if they were of old standing in Romania, their names would have been Rusalianii (<Rom. Rusalii "Pentacost") Botezătorii (<Rom. Botez, "baptism").

On a related note:

What I've seen is that they know almost nothing about Orthodox theology and spread lies and misconceptions or generalize the bad aspects in Romanian Orthodox Christians' life.

Yes, I've noticed that Romanian Protestant arguements are still geared towards the Latin church, not the dominant Orthodox.  The reason of course, is a legacy of the foreign mission societies viewing the Orthodox just as the Latins without the pope of Rome (I did so before finding out different, upon which I embraced Orthodoxy).  They, for instance, rail against the merits of the saints, unaware that we hold no such doctrine.

I have to admit, I'm turned off by Pentacostal "services," which reduce litanies to wish lists, views God the Father as a cosmic Sugar Daddy, and seem to think Christ died to make you rich, preaching the Gospel of Health and Wealth.  In general, I've found Romanian Pentacostals and Baptists just as tradition bound as Orthodox, just bound to the pastor du jour.

As for defending Orthodoxy, offense makes the best defense.  Live Orthodoxy, and it would put the Protestants to shame.  Someone said that (Matthew 5:16).
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2008, 09:54:12 AM »

Buzuxi, you are raving.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2008, 10:19:42 AM »

Some time ago, I came upon this blog posting:

http://trevinwax.com/2006/11/09/johns-story-why-i-left-eastern-orthodoxy-for-evangelicalism/

The blog is written by an evangelical and he tells the story of a Romanian Orthodox man who becomes Evangelical and an American Evangelical who becomes Orthodox. Sadly, it's in English, but I found it very interesting reading indeed. The comments are also most interesting. Please make sure you search the blog for the American fellow's story too. 
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As for defending Orthodoxy, offense makes the best defense.  Live Orthodoxy, and it would put the Protestants to shame.  Someone said that (Matthew 5:16).

Ialmisry, verily, this is the challenge for all of us!
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2008, 12:24:42 PM »

The fact remains that abortion is rampant among christian countries due to free choice unlike China (its low in japan, just as crime, teenage pregnancy and divorce is low,  which is under 10% compared to 50% in America). Christians countries are actually post-christian and there hallmark is immorality. You cannot compare the morals of middleastern countries or Japan with that of the west, where not only family values are basically non existant but in many cases families are non-existant.

I'm sorry.  You haven't answered my question.  You have made some sweeping statements about humans, their behaviour and different countries.  What is the source of your assertions about behaviour in the country of Japan please?  There was divorce in Japan before it became "westernized".   I have found information that the divorce rate is above 24% now with the interesting detail that many divorces are initiated by older women whose "salaryman" husbands have retired after decades of caring more for the job then the family.

Perhaps in your personal experience you have found a lack of 'family values', but you are casting aspersions of large groups of people or making claims about others with no more support then your personal opinion. 

I write as one with a deep interest in Japan, but that does not mean that I would ignore or brush aside it's darker aspects. 

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Its true that Orthodox nations have some of the highest rates of abortion in the world (Roumania leading the pack) but its also true that the highest rate of abortion in America is found in the bible belt, as well as divorce and poverty. 

What is your source for these statement, please?


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But as Gandhi said, "It is my firm opinion that Europe does not represent the spirit of God or Christianity but the spirit of Satan. And Satans successes are the greatest when he appears with the name of God on his lips."

And again when someone asked Ghandi why he doesnt become a christian, he replied, "Oh I dont reject your Christ. I love your Christ. Its just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."


And how is unsupported statements about other human beings being like our Master Christ?   Undecided

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 12:27:18 PM »

my previous post was more of a response to reply#17 by Ebor than the original post.

Yet it was a response that did not answer what I had asked you.

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 12:28:26 PM »

Ialmisry, verily, this is the challenge for all of us!

Indeed, it is a challenge to live a Christian Life.   Smiley

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I appreciate the links you guys have posted. I would really like to be able to get a hold of any sermons or lectures on CD or MP3. (Are there any Romanian versions of Fr. Peter Gillquist? LOL!). Are there any websites out there where you can download or order such sermons?

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I appreciate the links you guys have posted. I would really like to be able to get a hold of any sermons or lectures on CD or MP3. (Are there any Romanian versions of Fr. Peter Gillquist? LOL!). Are there any websites out there where you can download or order such sermons?

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Maybe you could tell your wife what you think would be helpful for your in-laws and then have her search online for it.  When she finds it, maybe you could bring up the link in your next conversation?  Also, if your wife has time, maybe she could translate some of the material?  I know I would greatly benefit from such an endeavor.  In the meantime, I'll ask my girlfriend to see if she could translate some material.  Who knows, with the translated material you find, maybe you could author a book geared towards Romanian pentecostals?  That'd be really cool!

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2008, 06:58:45 PM »

I appreciate the links you guys have posted. I would really like to be able to get a hold of any sermons or lectures on CD or MP3. (Are there any Romanian versions of Fr. Peter Gillquist? LOL!). Are there any websites out there where you can download or order such sermons?

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Actually, I think Fr. Gillquist is in Romanian.  I saw a number of conciliar press publications in Romania when I was there in the early 90's.
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Actually, I think Fr. Gillquist is in Romanian.  I saw a number of conciliar press publications in Romania when I was there in the early 90's.

I have tried to find Fr. Gilquists books in Romanian with no success. If you could direct me in the right place, I would be greatly in your debt! It would be so awesome if "Becoming Orthodox" was in Romanian!
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2008, 02:30:49 AM »

I appreciate the links you guys have posted. I would really like to be able to get a hold of any sermons or lectures on CD or MP3. (Are there any Romanian versions of Fr. Peter Gillquist? LOL!). Are there any websites out there where you can download or order such sermons?

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http://www.ortodoxtv.com/
http://www.ortodoxmedia.com/
http://www.sfaturiortodoxe.ro/_interviurionline.htm
http://www.crestinortodox.ro/predici_audio.html

I think you can find some books by Fr Gillquist, but not audio versions.
http://www.cartiortodoxe.ro/cartea-carte/1517-cum-am-devenit-ortodox-.-o-calatorie-inspre-credinta-crestina-primara-gillquist,-peter-e..html
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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2008, 02:31:38 AM »

I have tried to find Fr. Gilquists books in Romanian with no success. If you could direct me in the right place, I would be greatly in your debt! It would be so awesome if "Becoming Orthodox" was in Romanian!
http://www.cartiortodoxe.ro/cartea-carte/1517-cum-am-devenit-ortodox-.-o-calatorie-inspre-credinta-crestina-primara-gillquist,-peter-e..html
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Thanks for the link! I'm so glad "Becoming Orthodox" is in Romanian. I have tried contacting this site to order this book, but I can't get a response from anyone, and the order form is just for Romania, not the U.S. Do you know if there is a way to get ahold of this book from an American site?
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Contact me by PM; I may be able to get it from Romania.
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If you want, I could buy it from an Orthodox bookstore near my workplace and send it to you by mail. That is if Augustin doesn't mind. Smiley
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If you want, I could buy it from an Orthodox bookstore near my workplace and send it to you by mail. That is if Augustin doesn't mind. Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2008, 11:43:41 AM »

Thanks Augustin and Ma! You guys are the best.
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Here is a good site that might help as well its from the Romanian Holy Trinity Orthodox Church in LA California. It has both an English and Romanian net page.

http://www.biserica.org/index.htm

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2010, 04:51:44 AM »

This is a site where you can find many answers...please read, first of all, THE HOLY GHOST AKATIST!

http://www.sfintiiarhangheli.ro/acatistul-sfantului-duh
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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2010, 05:37:07 AM »

Hello, Mariana!
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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2010, 07:26:35 AM »

Hello ma and all of you brothers and sisters in Christ!
Here it is another link where you can find Orthodox Romanian books you can read  on line...

http://www.danionvasile.ro/blog/






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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2011, 08:40:54 AM »

I've also seen a Romanian translation of Matthew Gallatin's "Thirsting For God in a Land of Shallow Wells".
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