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Offline StGeorge

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Trisagion Question
« on: May 09, 2008, 10:34:12 PM »
I've read that the Trisagion prayer comes from the Syrian Church, and that originally it was addressed to Christ, but that when the Byzantines adopted it they changed to whom it was addressed, and made addressed to the Trinity instead.  I've read this mostly from non-Chalcedonian, Oriental Orthodox sources.  Is this accurate?  Or, is there something I'm not aware of from these sources?

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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 11:59:47 PM »
I'd have to check on this, butyou are correct that it was the Byzantines who insisted on this hymn as being Trinitarian and who flat out resisted changes that would make the hymn only centered on Christ with "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, who was crucified for us, have mercy on us."  However, I don't know who came up with the hymn first, the Byzantines or the Syrians.
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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 12:31:23 AM »
It was the chalcedonians who came up with it, and the non-chalcedonians (namely armenians) who altered it. 

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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 06:51:25 AM »
There are two different stories of how the hymn came about. The OO say it was sung at Christ's burial, the EO say it was heard by the inhabitants of Constantinople during a great earthquake in the early 5th Century. In both cases, the origin of the hymn is not Syrian.

Peter the Fuller's Christological additions to the hymn, however, are Syrian.

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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 01:09:07 PM »
There are two different stories of how the hymn came about. The OO say it was sung at Christ's burial, the EO say it was heard by the inhabitants of Constantinople during a great earthquake in the early 5th Century. In both cases, the origin of the hymn is not Syrian.

I would say this is a fair way of looking at the Trisagion.  No one knows the intent of the Trisagion.  Some say it was Christological and some say it was a Trinitarian hymn.  But I think it would be polemical to say one took it and changed it without showing us proof.
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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 01:34:23 PM »
I know this doesn't answer the question, but I just have to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3f50nNbDpY

Don't our Indian brothers do a beautiful job singing the trisagion?

Are there other videos showing the trisagion being sung in other Orthodox traditions?

Sorry for the diversion.   :)

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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2008, 04:20:42 PM »
Are there other videos showing the trisagion being sung in other Orthodox traditions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5ZPaNbNLc

Byzantine style Trisagion (Plagal of Tone 2 I think)

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Re: Trisagion Question
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 05:48:46 PM »
That was beautiful!