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« on: May 05, 2008, 11:54:16 AM »

Unfortunately, my parish has no plans to do the so-called Kneeling Vespers this year and, as is my wont, my wife and I will be doing a reader's service at home.  I'm an old hand at the "regular" reader's service vespers but have a question about the kneeling prayers for that particular Sunday.  Is it proper at all for the ecclesiarch to say the priest's prayers or any part of them?  If not, what would one do in place of them as part of a reader's service?
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 04:21:15 PM »

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There are not even reading the kneeling prayers after Liturgy? If not I would just read them silently after your reader's service. These are presbyteral prayers and would not be taken aloud by a non-priest.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 04:25:16 PM »

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There are not even reading the kneeling prayers after Liturgy? If not I would just read them silently after your reader's service. These are presbyteral prayers and would not be taken aloud by a non-priest.

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Fr. Deacon,

Nope, hasn't been done yet in the 8 years I've been going there and I'm assuming in the 25 our priest has been the pastor. I know the issue has been brought to our pastor's attention before but for some reason we still don't do them.

I'll just read them silently afterwards.  Thank you for the answer.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 04:27:57 PM »

Has the priest ever given a reason for not performing the Kneeling Prayers since that service is technically a Vespers service performed after the Liturgy.  If he can perform a Liturgy, logic would state that he can perform a Vespers service - a relatively simple Vespers service at that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 04:34:26 PM »

I've never asked the priest personally.  All I was told is that "we don't do them" when I asked some years ago and that was said with some bitterness.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 04:41:50 PM »

One possible reason that he refuses to do them could be because of something that the Roman Catholic Church has stated; that the Byzantine Rite Catholic churches are not to perform the Kneeling Vespers service because the rest of Catholicism would have already celebrated Pentecost (unless it's a year when both Orthodox and Catholic celebrate Easter on the same day).
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 04:45:21 PM »

One possible reason that he refuses to do them could be because of something that the Roman Catholic Church has stated; that the Byzantine Rite Catholic churches are not to perform the Kneeling Vespers service because the rest of Catholicism would have already celebrated Pentecost (unless it's a year when both Orthodox and Catholic celebrate Easter on the same day).

Um, no.  There are plenty of Byzcath churches on both the Julian and Gregorian calendar that do the kneeling prayers.  Of course, there are plenty that don't, too, but I don't think it has anything to do with Rome telling parishes not to do them, especially post Vatican II.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 12:47:15 AM »

Um, no.  There are plenty of Byzcath churches on both the Julian and Gregorian calendar that do the kneeling prayers.  Of course, there are plenty that don't, too, but I don't think it has anything to do with Rome telling parishes not to do them, especially post Vatican II.

Fair enough.   Smiley
Try making the suggestion to your priest and see how he reacts - Pentecost is still a long ways away.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 08:36:21 AM »

Schultz,

There are not even reading the kneeling prayers after Liturgy? If not I would just read them silently after your reader's service. These are presbyteral prayers and would not be taken aloud by a non-priest.

Fr. Deacon Lance

No kneeling prayers on Pentecost Sunday?  I guess you have to keep liturgy under an hour, especially because it is Mothers Day. Roll Eyes

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