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« on: April 30, 2008, 08:59:58 PM » |
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Open the link I posted above, go to "Alexander Govorov's Choir," and click on "Lord, by Thy strength... By Bortnyanskiy." I absolutely love it. To me, that's an epitome of Eastern Slavic church music, a brilliant piece of the 18-th century Ukrainian Rococo, the culture that gave the world St. Paisius Velichkovsky, St. John of Tobol'sk (the great-great-...great-uncle of St. John Maksymovych), and many others... And it's a Paschal hymn, too.
I must say I don't agree  I like the setting of Holy God by Uspensky much better  |
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 12:47:18 AM » |
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Yes, prostopinije should be introduced to more people. It is time proven congregational singing. And it is the king of all chants |
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 10:37:26 AM » |
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Open the link I posted above, go to "Alexander Govorov's Choir," and click on "Lord, by Thy strength... By Bortnyanskiy." I absolutely love it. To me, that's an epitome of Eastern Slavic church music, a brilliant piece of the 18-th century Ukrainian Rococo, the culture that gave the world St. Paisius Velichkovsky, St. John of Tobol'sk (the great-great-...great-uncle of St. John Maksymovych), and many others... And it's a Paschal hymn, too.
Not to disagree but I must! My preference has always been for the older, simpler chant forms - prostopinije or znamennyj. The Baroque era and the 19th century Russians like Kedrov, etc. with complex harmonies and/or polyphonic singing just don't do it for me. Give me a congregation singing plainchant or just a single cantor chanting monophonically any day. |
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 12:16:47 PM » |
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Not to disagree but I must!
My preference has always been for the older, simpler chant forms - prostopinije or znamennyj. The Baroque era and the 19th century Russians like Kedrov, etc. with complex harmonies and/or polyphonic singing just don't do it for me. Give me a congregation singing plainchant or just a single cantor chanting monophonically any day.
Amen to that! Check out the link in Reply #9 above. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 01:28:57 PM » |
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Amen to that! Check out the link in Reply #9 above.
Yes, the Valaam monks have kept traditional chant alive. One of the issues I have is I think the complex choral stuff tends to shut the laity out to some extent and makes the work of the choir something of a performance. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 02:06:56 PM » |
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Not to disagree but I must!
My preference has always been for the older, simpler chant forms - prostopinije or znamennyj. The Baroque era and the 19th century Russians like Kedrov, etc. with complex harmonies and/or polyphonic singing just don't do it for me. Give me a congregation singing plainchant or just a single cantor chanting monophonically any day.
Well, I respect your taste but I am exactly the opposite. I love Baroque and Rococo, and I am simply bored by monodia. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 02:19:42 PM » |
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Well, I respect your taste but I am exactly the opposite. I love Baroque and Rococo, and I am simply bored by monodia.
I have to agree. That piece you recommended, Lord, by Thy strength, was absolutely stunning! |
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 03:28:40 PM » |
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My preference has always been for the older, simpler chant forms - prostopinije or znamennyj. The Baroque era and the 19th century Russians like Kedrov, etc. with complex harmonies and/or polyphonic singing just don't do it for me. Give me a congregation singing plainchant or just a single cantor chanting monophonically any day.
It's not the harmonies or polyphony that I don't like. What bothers me is that a lot of pieces I've heard almost sound like something you'd hear in an opera. The plainchant seems to avoid that for the most part. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2008, 04:23:30 PM » |
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Yes, the Valaam monks have kept traditional chant alive.
One of the issues I have is I think the complex choral stuff tends to shut the laity out to some extent and makes the work of the choir something of a performance.
Congregational singing allows for full participation of all those present, a work of the people, liturgy  And prostopinije/sub carpathian and the type you find in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church/Orthodox churches has been time proven for centuries to allow people to pray as one during communal prayer services.. wheter a Divine Liturgy or a Moleben. |
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