Interesting. It is always good to gain new information. Could you please give some links or information on these groups? Thank you in advance.
I said I know, conservative Prespyterians that still call themselves "puritan". We are not allowed to post other forum links on Oc.net. but there is an infamous conservative Calvinistic & Reformed board called "the puritan board"
. It is a mixture of conservative Calvinists from different denominations. Reformed Baptist, Southern Baptist, Low church Anglican, Prespyterian, Dutch Reformed, Congregational, Evangelical Free, and some independant Calvinistic Fundementalist type churches.
They have a rule that only those who agree with Calvinism are allowed to post on that board. Everyone else can only read what they say, but they can't respond. But I personally know people that call themself "Puritan". You will just have to meet different kinds of American conservative Protestants. Eventially you will find some.
Then we will have to agree to disagree. Would you please give some historical references for the Congregationalists and are they the same as the Congregationalist churches of today?
I shouldn't have to give internet historical references. I learned this stuff in history class in middle school, and high school. I also learned it from reading various books.
The Puritans that came to America didn't vanish into thin air.
This book will give you a short history of Congregationalism as well as a host of other groups.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0687069831
Also if you buy a few Church history books, then you will see a connection.....especially in regards to American church history.
Well, I know of the phrase "Protestant work ethic" which was coined by the German sociologist Max Weber. He wrote a book on it that was published in 1905
I looked your "cliche" as you called it up and it is equated with Weber's idea.
I always knew it as "the Puritan work ethic". Sometimes people confuse the Pilgrims with the Puritans, they do overlap, but in middleschool my history teacher mentioned their "Work Ethic".......the more you work, the less time you have to sin.
But the work ethic stereotype comes from the Reformed tradition of Protestantism. I maybe wrong, but I think Rome use to call the Lutherians "Protestants" while calling the Geneva camp "Reformed".
Now she calls them all by the name "Protestant". But the Work Ethic stereotype would stem from the Reformed Tradition.....not the Lutherian one. And as we all know, the Puritans were "Reformed" in doctrine.
I know of Harvard and Yale (though one source of information says that it was founded by "Congregationalists" rather then "Puritans". You appear to think that they are the same, but there seems to be some difference of opinion.) I beg your pardon, "HBCU"? Would you please post what those letters mean?
The Pilgrims were eventually absorbed by the Puritans, but both the Pilgrims and a good portion of the Puritans were "Congregationalist" in Church Government.
The other batch of Puritans were Prespyterian in Church government and they hooked up with the Church of Scotland. And this is why the Prespyterian denomination is seen as the "Church of Scotland" today.
And this is why I keep saying "Congregationalist, Prespyterian, and low church Anglican".....not to mention the "Baptists" for they too were heavily influenced by the Puritan Congregationalists & their close cousins the English Separatists.....which is what the Pilgrims were....they were English Separatists....but anyway.
HBCU means "Historic Black Colleges & Universities". Some of the New England Puritans (Congregationalists) were also Abolitionists.
My Mother school was started by them "Hampton University". Hampton University sent the founder of my school to Alabama to start what is now "Tuskegee University".
But they started a whole bunch of HBCU's...like Howard....ect.
You have asserted that there is a "Puritan Influence" on the American Revolution, but you have not provided any sources or documentation to back this up. Would you please provide some support for this claim. What people or movements in the time leading up to the American Revolution are you thinking of when you write this, please? Also, the phrase "No king but Christ" was not, from all of my reading, a rallying cry of the American Colonists. I have found a reference to a biography of a Donald Cargill with that title for example (Scots and during the reign of Charles II apparently). But no reference to the American Colonies and the politics and economics that were motivating forces for the Revolution.
Some of these for people to look up were the Navigation Acts:
The Stamp Act: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/related/stampact.htm
What are termed the "Coercive Acts"
You've asserted this before. On what evidence and documentation do you base this claim please? Have you read the Declaration of Independence which lays out the reasons for seeking to be a separate nation?
There were alot of things that influenced them. You had the first great awakening that was an influence, You had King George's Lineancy with the Canadian French Roman Catholics, that was a major influence....especially in New England.
And yes I read the declaration of independence. The Puritan mindset always wanted independence from the English King.
Do you really think the Puritans had amnesia? Do you think they forgot what happened in the British civil war?
Another influence were the works by early Puritans that gave them the "BIBLICAL" right to revolt against a "tyrannical king"!
This is a website that lists some of the books that influenced the founding fathers of this great Nation of ours.
Some of the links don't work anymore, but most of them should work.http://home.wi.rr.com/rickgardiner/primarysources.htm