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« on: April 29, 2008, 07:34:11 AM »

Dear folks,

Do you know of any texts by these two theologians where they outline their positions in Christian anthropology (i.e. Ireneus - that Adam was created "little," child-like, not really perfect but with the task to grow in perfection, and Augustine - that Adam was created really perfect)?

I found several references to this, particularly in Bishop Kallistos Ware's book "Orthodox Church," and elsewhere, but I never saw the original texts where these thoughts are articulated.

Many thanks in advance for your help!

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2008, 09:17:06 AM »

For St Irenaeus: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/irenaeus.html
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 10:06:53 AM »

Where I've been going for my reading material from Irenaeus:  http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.html
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2008, 10:20:18 AM »

^Many thanks to you both! Wow, that's a lot of reading... Where should I begin, from which book?
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2008, 10:52:56 AM »

I only have books 1,3, & 5 of Against the Heresies (read book 1 first). Nonetheless, maybe reading Proof of the Apostolic Preaching may be a better place to start (I have only ever perused it). I do not have the resources to read online for extended period so I bought "heresies" in print (1 with footnotes from Paulist pr & the others are cheaper paperbacks from Kessinger publ w/out any footnotes.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2008, 11:48:56 AM »

^Thank you so much. I have found "The Proof," here: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/irenaeus_02_proof.htm
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2008, 01:12:42 PM »

Dear folks,

Do you know of any texts by these two theologians where they outline their positions in Christian anthropology (i.e. Ireneus - that Adam was created "little," child-like, not really perfect but with the task to grow in perfection, and Augustine - that Adam was created really perfect)?

I found several references to this, particularly in Bishop Kallistos Ware's book "Orthodox Church," and elsewhere, but I never saw the original texts where these thoughts are articulated.

Many thanks in advance for your help!

G.



These are the Online sites I normaly go to. I can't say you will find what you are looking for but,


Early Christian Manuscripts, Patristic Literature
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txv/earlychr.htm



The next one is pretty old. So some of the links may not work anymore

The North American Patristics Society: Internet Resources
http://moses.creighton.edu/NAPS/napslinks/main.htm



Early Christian Writings
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/


And for Augustine.....well, I always read his stuff over at NewAdvent.com
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/



I don't like going to ccel. Cel LCI. I forgot what it's called, but I can't stand the format.


They have a C.D. software thingy for the ECF's. You can always get that.







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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 01:35:18 PM »

^Many thanks, JNorm, these are great resources! --G.
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