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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5535 on: November 16, 2017, 12:52:42 PM »
I find the Lattimore translation to be roughly just-ok. I guess +1 to the already long list of times I've been oblivious to good art   8)
It's more of my preference in daily reading the Gospels as long flowing narratives, instead of it broken up by chapter/verse. For serious study I'll get some other translations. But for daily use these paragraph style Bibles are excellent.

One of my favorite things about the Lattimore is how he lets the individual voices shine through.

I used to have a copy of Lattomire's NT bundled with three other less mainstream translations. It fell apart (the pages literally separated from the spine; it was a really terrible binding job) and I didn't bother to look for it again since it had just come to me through circumstance in the first place. I'm kind of wishing I had now.

Are you talking about the paperback one with the black cover? Yeah the binding is garbage lol.

What were the other 3 less mainstream translations?
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5536 on: November 16, 2017, 12:58:56 PM »
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5537 on: November 16, 2017, 02:39:29 PM »
Porter I need your help please. Is Robert Alter's single volume of Genesis the same translation found in his Five Books of Moses?

Yes, naturally it's the same, as his The David Story is the same translation of the books of the Kings as in Ancient Israel: the Former Propehts. The different editions available is just an artifact of the publishing process: at times, as his work became ready, the publisher would release single volumes, but then later release the larger, more comprehensive volumes as originally planned. You'll also find some different covers and bindings available for some books.

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Also, since you agree with me that Lattimore's NT and Alter's translations are excellent do you have any other recommendations?

Seriously Lattimore's is a treasure, it's like reading the Scriptures with fresh eyes. The Gospels are so much clearer if that makes sense.

I mentioned E.V. Rieu's Gospels, better than Lattimore if that were possible. However, he's been out of print for years. As the work has passed into the public domain in the U.S., I'm thinking of typing up a digital, free version and I can then link it here with administrative permission.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5538 on: November 16, 2017, 02:55:18 PM »
Yes, naturally it's the same, as his The David Story is the same translation of the books of the Kings as in Ancient Israel: the Former Propehts. The different editions available is just an artifact of the publishing process: at times, as his work became ready, the publisher would release single volumes, but then later release the larger, more comprehensive volumes as originally planned. You'll also find some different covers and bindings available for some books.
Great, thank you.

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I mentioned E.V. Rieu's Gospels, better than Lattimore if that were possible. However, he's been out of print for years. As the work has passed into the public domain in the U.S., I'm thinking of typing up a digital, free version and I can then link it here with administrative permission.
I'd be glad to compensate you via PayPal for the time it would take to type it up. Let me know.

Appreciate you responding.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5539 on: November 16, 2017, 03:22:05 PM »
What were the other 3 less mainstream translations?

I misspoke earlier. I did have the Lattimore translation (I remembered it because at the time I got it I lived on Lattimore Plantation Drive), but the specific four-translation volume I was thinking of had the KJV, the NASB, William Beck's NT and Charles Williams' NT. Beck's translation eventually morphed into the "God's Word" Bible.

So now is the question of where the missing Lattimore Bible is. There are only so many places 140 miles apart that it could be.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5540 on: November 17, 2017, 03:08:16 PM »
Iconodule, I found the entire Christ the Eternal Tao online:

https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/christ-the-eternal-tao/

Includes all the pictures from the book. The pictures of Christ's life used, for example here: https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/christ-the-eternal-tao/3_84 , can I call that iconography? I love them. Any other Chinese iconography in color like this?

Fascinating bit on "nothingness", but I don't have the time to read this book fully yet.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5541 on: November 17, 2017, 03:18:54 PM »
Iconodule, I found the entire Christ the Eternal Tao online:

Whoever edited and formatted this thing needs to get sacked and never work again, unless they actually learn how to do it. Properly done (i.e. without each endnote on a separate page and a duplicate index), the file would have been about half as long.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5542 on: November 17, 2017, 04:15:13 PM »
footnotes > endnotes
Please don't project meta-debates onto me.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5543 on: November 17, 2017, 05:08:46 PM »
footnotes > endnotes

Search the scriptures, and you will find this is true.
Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5544 on: November 17, 2017, 05:36:16 PM »
footnotes > endnotes

Search the scriptures, and you will find this is true.
Lol +1
"The business of the Christian is nothing else than to be ever preparing for death (μελεπᾷν ἀποθνήσκειν)."

— Saint Irenaeus of Lyons, Fragment XI

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5545 on: November 17, 2017, 06:24:44 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5546 on: November 17, 2017, 07:52:37 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5547 on: November 17, 2017, 08:45:22 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5548 on: November 17, 2017, 09:11:08 PM »
Goodman, M. (2015). Maimonides and the Book That Changed Judaism: Secrets of The Guide for the Perplexed. (R.Y. Sinclair, Trans.). Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: The Jewish Publication Society.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5549 on: November 17, 2017, 11:27:36 PM »
Why We Believe in God(s). A Concise Guide To The Science oF Faith by J. Anderson Thomson with Claire Aukofer, foreword by Richard Dawkins.

It is a short book but very good, it showed me why I still have the urge to believe in a God or Gods, regardless of all the intellectual reasons to not believe in the first place.

Well then that's good.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5550 on: November 17, 2017, 11:28:13 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5551 on: November 17, 2017, 11:32:04 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.
"The business of the Christian is nothing else than to be ever preparing for death (μελεπᾷν ἀποθνήσκειν)."

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5552 on: November 17, 2017, 11:34:06 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.

Since I consider the man a hack and unstable, no.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5553 on: November 18, 2017, 02:08:03 PM »
Porter, have you picked up DBH's new translation of the NT? I didn't like it at first but I'm slowly warming to it.

Since I consider the man a hack and unstable, no.
I have similar suspicions but why do you consider him a hack?
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"The business of the Christian is nothing else than to be ever preparing for death (μελεπᾷν ἀποθνήσκειν)."

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5554 on: November 18, 2017, 06:38:59 PM »
Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
The author says that anyone undertaking a commentary on Jeremiah has a huge job ahead, and I believe him.  St. Jerome only made it to chapter 32 before he passed on.  Jeremiah is a big book, and there are a lot of questions about how it was put together and of course why the Masoretic text differs from the Septuagint.  It is interesting as to how Jeremiah is put together, and the author points out places that use Chiasmus.  When there are differences between the Masoretic text and Septuagint, the author usually prefers the longer readings.  The shorter readings are usually (but not always) in the Septuagint.  The author attributes most of them to haplography.  Maybe that was the case, but it leaves me wondering if there are other factors involved.  If you want to read more ideas about the differences between the Masoretic texts and Septuagint, I would read McKane or Holladay.
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Re: What is everyone reading?
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Christ the conqueror of hell : the descent into Hades from an Orthodox perspective / Archbishop Hilarion Alfeyev.

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Re: What is everyone reading?
« Reply #5557 on: Today at 02:27:25 PM »
Justin, what are some good texts to start reading Berdayev?
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Finished volume two of the three-volume set:  Jeremiah : a new translation with introduction and commentary / Jack R. Lundbom.

Sounds very interesting. Three volumes? So what's your reaction so far?
The author says that anyone undertaking a commentary on Jeremiah has a huge job ahead, and I believe him.  St. Jerome only made it to chapter 32 before he passed on.  Jeremiah is a big book, and there are a lot of questions about how it was put together and of course why the Masoretic text differs from the Septuagint.  It is interesting as to how Jeremiah is put together, and the author points out places that use Chiasmus.  When there are differences between the Masoretic text and Septuagint, the author usually prefers the longer readings.  The shorter readings are usually (but not always) in the Septuagint.  The author attributes most of them to haplography.  Maybe that was the case, but it leaves me wondering if there are other factors involved.  If you want to read more ideas about the differences between the Masoretic texts and Septuagint, I would read McKane or Holladay.

Fascinating. Thank you.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy