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Offline Seamus

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« on: April 10, 2008, 09:43:13 PM »
What does the Church think about who will be saved? Does She say only through Jesus we can be saved? I've heard a few times the statement that we don't really know who will be saved. And God may still have mercy on those who die without Christ.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 09:58:18 PM »
Here's a whole book on the topic: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 10:37:53 PM »
Here's a whole book on the topic: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx


Wow, thank you. I've read some of Bishop Kallistos Ware's  books; The Orthodox Way and I'm in the process of reading The Orthodox Church. This, without a doubt, will be an interesting read. I appreciate it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 10:17:55 AM »
We don't believe in the common teaching of the Protestant "once saved always saved". Being saved in a sense, there needs to be spiritual struggle. Metropolitan Kallistos once said when asked by a Protestant if he was saved and he replied: "I was saved, I am being saved, and I pray to God that I will be saved".

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 10:35:17 AM »
We don't believe in the common teaching of the Protestant "once saved always saved". Being saved in a sense, there needs to be spiritual struggle. Metropolitan Kallistos once said when asked by a Protestant if he was saved and he replied: "I was saved, I am being saved, and I pray to God that I will be saved".

To be fair, we should probably say "Calvinist" rather than Protestant. Quite a lot of Protestants do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" principle.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2008, 10:43:04 AM »
The church also seems to sum this up on Last Judgement Sunday as we begin to prepare for Lent and the reading & homily of Matthew 25:31-46.
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Re: Saved
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2008, 11:17:09 AM »
To be fair, we should probably say "Calvinist" rather than Protestant. Quite a lot of Protestants do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" principle.

Oh, ok. Thanks for that. I don't know much of what differences are between the Protestant denominations.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2008, 11:39:26 AM »
Oh, ok. Thanks for that. I don't know much of what differences are between the Protestant denominations.

Me neither, but I recall that Wesley taught that a human being can fall from grace. So, Methodists should actually not believe in "once saved, always saved."
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2008, 09:30:13 PM »
Shamus;

Two small, but very helpful, books for you "Are we saved? The Orthodox Christian Process of Savation" by Barbara Pappas, and "How are we saved? The Understanding of Salvation in the Orthodox Tradition" by Bishop Kallistos Ware.

I might add that in the Orthodox Church, we as individuals are concerned with our own process of salvation, not speculating on the salvation of others.
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