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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #180 on: May 05, 2014, 06:10:37 PM »
I guess I'm lucky, I have an easy choice: St. Cecilia

She was the saint name I chose for my RC confirmation. 
She is a pre-schism saint.
Her name is similar, phonetically, to mine.
She is, among other things, the patron saint of music/musicians (I sing, play instruments).
Her feast day is, coincidentally, on my birthday (November 22)

I can't see making another choice.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #181 on: May 07, 2014, 02:53:49 PM »
I am coming from a traditional Catholic background.

I am torn between St. Martin of Tours and St. Alexis Toth. I like St. Martin because he is a great model of love and holiness, and he is western. I like St. Alexis because my name is Alex, and he is a convert from Catholicism, even though he was Eastern already.
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« Reply #182 on: May 07, 2014, 03:00:25 PM »
Who was your RC patron saint?
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #183 on: May 07, 2014, 03:01:40 PM »
Who was your RC patron saint?

Francis of Assisi. And I believe his baptismal saint was St. Martin of Tours.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #184 on: May 07, 2014, 03:03:38 PM »
And my mothers side of the family is from Wilkes Barre, as is St. Alexis Toth.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #185 on: May 07, 2014, 03:22:49 PM »
It seems like you can't go wrong either way. :)
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #186 on: May 07, 2014, 03:23:42 PM »
Would it be importing Roman Catholic novelty to take both? Alexis-Martin?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2014, 03:45:22 PM »
I don't think there would be anything wrong about it. It's just not part of our tradition.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #188 on: May 07, 2014, 03:51:30 PM »
Who was your RC patron saint?

Francis of Assisi. And I believe his baptismal saint was St. Martin of Tours.

I'm on to you... 
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2014, 03:53:13 PM »
Would it be importing Roman Catholic novelty to take both? Alexis-Martin?

I suppose you could do that.  I didn't know that a double name was a particularly RC thing, though. 

If you don't mind my asking, is your name "Alex" or "Alexander"? 
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #190 on: May 07, 2014, 03:53:56 PM »
I guess I'm lucky, I have an easy choice: St. Cecilia

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I can't see making another choice.

I like her.  I like most of the popular Roman virgin-martyrs. 
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« Reply #191 on: May 07, 2014, 03:54:10 PM »
My wife had two names in that manner when she converted (Mary-Cecilia). Cecilia was the name given to her by her Roman Catholic family, and she took the name Mary (of Egypt) when she became Orthodox, but kept both names for purposes of church stuff, and even in her personal life.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #192 on: May 07, 2014, 03:54:25 PM »
Who was your RC patron saint?

Francis of Assisi. And I believe his baptismal saint was St. Martin of Tours.

I'm on to you... 

You were St. Martin's baptismal Saint?
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #193 on: May 07, 2014, 04:17:31 PM »
Would it be importing Roman Catholic novelty to take both? Alexis-Martin?

I suppose you could do that.  I didn't know that a double name was a particularly RC thing, though. 

If you don't mind my asking, is your name "Alex" or "Alexander"? 


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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #194 on: May 07, 2014, 07:04:25 PM »
Would it be importing Roman Catholic novelty to take both? Alexis-Martin?

Yes, it would. Orthodox have a single baptismal name, and a single patron saint appointed at baptism.

Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from having particular personal devotion to more than one saint, neither should it.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #195 on: May 09, 2014, 12:13:11 PM »
I think I have decided on St. Alexis Toth. His name is similar enough to mine, and he's a logical patron for my family, since my grandparents are from Wilkes-Barre. Even though he was already Eastern, he too was a convert from Catholicism.

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« Reply #196 on: June 04, 2014, 11:29:15 AM »
Would it be importing Roman Catholic novelty to take both? Alexis-Martin?

Yes, it would. Orthodox have a single baptismal name, and a single patron saint appointed at baptism.

Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from having particular personal devotion to more than one saint, neither should it.

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« Reply #197 on: June 20, 2014, 09:25:28 AM »
If you are an Orthodox Christian, you ARE a Saint, so just keep the name you have, it is already a Saint's name. Strive to honor Christ and the Trinity with your name. It may not be in the "Saint's Hall of Fame" yet, but you never know.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #198 on: October 19, 2014, 01:28:55 AM »
Q: Not exactly on taking a "new" name, but if you have a first name that has multiple saints attached to it, do you get to discern among those who bear that name for your patron saint, or is there a rank to that?  For example, if your first name is John, you could have St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom, or St. John the Theologian to name three of many who have borne that name.  Would you pray about that with your priest beforehand, or is there one that always comes to be attached to that name?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #199 on: October 19, 2014, 01:30:42 AM »
Q: Not exactly on taking a "new" name, but if you have a first name that has multiple saints attached to it, do you get to discern among those who bear that name for your patron saint, or is there a rank to that?  For example, if your first name is John, you could have St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom, or St. John the Theologian to name three of many who have borne that name.  Would you pray about that with your priest beforehand, or is there one that always comes to be attached to that name?


This was my case.  So I can only tell you what my Priest did.  He asked me to read about several of the possibilities, their lives, writings, etc.....and see if any resonated with me.

The most 'likely' Dionysius' did not at all resonate...so he suggested another.....
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #200 on: October 19, 2014, 01:44:15 AM »
Q: Not exactly on taking a "new" name, but if you have a first name that has multiple saints attached to it, do you get to discern among those who bear that name for your patron saint, or is there a rank to that?  For example, if your first name is John, you could have St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom, or St. John the Theologian to name three of many who have borne that name.  Would you pray about that with your priest beforehand, or is there one that always comes to be attached to that name?

There should be no "ranking" of saints of a particular name. As Denise said, read and reflect on the lives and writings of each of the saints who bear that name, and see which one appeals to you the most. An old Orthodox saying which very often holds true is "you don't pick a saint, he picks you".  :D
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2014, 06:43:43 AM »
Q: Not exactly on taking a "new" name, but if you have a first name that has multiple saints attached to it, do you get to discern among those who bear that name for your patron saint, or is there a rank to that?  For example, if your first name is John, you could have St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom, or St. John the Theologian to name three of many who have borne that name.  Would you pray about that with your priest beforehand, or is there one that always comes to be attached to that name?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2014, 04:00:33 PM »
Q: Not exactly on taking a "new" name, but if you have a first name that has multiple saints attached to it, do you get to discern among those who bear that name for your patron saint, or is there a rank to that?  For example, if your first name is John, you could have St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom, or St. John the Theologian to name three of many who have borne that name.  Would you pray about that with your priest beforehand, or is there one that always comes to be attached to that name?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #203 on: May 23, 2015, 03:50:23 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.
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« Reply #204 on: May 23, 2015, 03:51:52 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

You can certainly take the name Noah.
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« Reply #205 on: May 23, 2015, 03:54:42 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

You can certainly take the name Noah.

Then why isn't he considered a Saint?
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« Reply #206 on: May 23, 2015, 03:57:59 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

You can certainly take the name Noah.

Then why isn't he considered a Saint?

Righteous Noah is a saint.
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« Reply #207 on: May 23, 2015, 04:03:53 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

You can certainly take the name Noah.

Then why isn't he considered a Saint?
The Old Testament saints are generally referred to as "Righteous", e.g. "the Righteous Noah". These saints are commemorated on the Sunday of the Holy Forefathers, which is the second Sunday before Christmas (Dec 11-17). Noah is mentioned by name in the Vespers service "Come ye feast-lovers, let us extol with hymns the assembly of the forefathers, Adam, the first father, Enoch, Noah, and Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob..." (and possibly mentioned elsewhere).

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« Reply #208 on: May 23, 2015, 04:47:05 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

You can certainly take the name Noah.

Then why isn't he considered a Saint?
The Old Testament saints are generally referred to as "Righteous", e.g. "the Righteous Noah". These saints are commemorated on the Sunday of the Holy Forefathers, which is the second Sunday before Christmas (Dec 11-17). Noah is mentioned by name in the Vespers service "Come ye feast-lovers, let us extol with hymns the assembly of the forefathers, Adam, the first father, Enoch, Noah, and Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob..." (and possibly mentioned elsewhere).

Well, so long as he's been praying for me.
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« Reply #209 on: May 23, 2015, 04:57:07 PM »
And so, my profile picture has been changed  ;D
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #210 on: August 12, 2015, 10:13:43 PM »
James is a saint in Holy Orthodoxy and Séamus is Gaelic for James, right?  Why don't you simply go by Séamus then?  Or Shamus as you've spelled it.  ;)  I think Séamus is a great name and, if my girlfriend agrees, we'll be using it as our son's middle name. (<--when we get married that is. :D


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« Reply #211 on: August 14, 2015, 10:36:14 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

There is actually a pre schism St. Guillame of Gelons, i.e.. St. William, who was a French nobleman who successfully battled the Moors in the Pyrennes to keep them confined to the Iberian Peninsula, and out of France, and then, repulsed by the bloodshed and horror of war, funded the construction of a Benedictine monastery which he then retired to.  He safely predates the Great Schism although on the downside he was related to Charlemagne; Wikipedia however says the EO venerate him and I know of someone who was chrismated into an old calendarist church, assuming that name, complete with a Byzantine icon.
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« Reply #212 on: August 14, 2015, 10:49:10 PM »
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« Reply #213 on: September 21, 2015, 10:19:26 PM »
Do we have to change it at all?  Even if there's no saint?  Is refusal to change one's name a deal-breaker?

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« Reply #214 on: September 21, 2015, 10:26:51 PM »
Do we have to change it at all?  Even if there's no saint?  Is refusal to change one's name a deal-breaker?


In general (I make no hard and fast rule statement since I am not a priest not a Bishop) converts to orthodoxy take on a saints name upon reception into the Church.

That name can be used strictly for partaking of the Eucharist. 'Servant of God, name..' And for being prayed for by other Orthodox.

It does not have to be the name you use for everyday things or what other parishioners call you.

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« Reply #215 on: September 21, 2015, 10:41:34 PM »
Beyond telling you the general idea, any exceptions are in your Priest's (and thus the Bishop's) hands, so listening to different folks tell you of the exceptions they know about is of little value. Your Priest might have different instructions than 'folks on the Internet'.
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« Reply #216 on: September 21, 2015, 10:49:35 PM »
Do we have to change it at all?  Even if there's no saint?  Is refusal to change one's name a deal-breaker?

I picked a name that was similar to my regular middle name. Maybe you could try that. :)

If not, the website Orthodox Wiki.org has information about the life stories of many saints. It may help you to choose the story of someone you can admire. :)
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #217 on: September 21, 2015, 11:20:39 PM »
Is it presumptuous to just ask my priest to choose for me? I was given the birth name of "Noah," who isn't a saint. My middle is William, who is a Roman Catholic saint, but not Orthodox.

What gives you the idea Noah isn't a saint?  And William is my saints name, so he is Orthodox.

Other than that, why actively seek out to change a name (especially a Christian one)?  Just go through catachesis, if someone of authority brings up a name change, then start getting philosophical about name changes and asking around. Changing a name should not be something done lightly.
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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #218 on: September 22, 2015, 11:08:11 AM »
Thank you Denise, biro, and William.  It's not about admiring or not admiring anyone.  I agree with William that it's not to be taken lightly, and that for me it probably is a philosophical issue.  I won't explain, because my aim isn't to argue with the practice, nor do I want to trouble others.  :)  I will speak with a priest. 

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« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2015, 11:42:38 AM »
I'll commission your real icon but not replicas.

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« Reply #221 on: September 23, 2015, 01:26:52 PM »
I'll commission your real icon but not replicas.

Wow, you're a painter? :)

Oh! I would love to see your work? Do you have a link so we can see?

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2016, 05:39:35 PM »
I'm currently navigating this issue. I'm quite well acquainted with the (ROCOR) priest who is helping us transition into the faith, and he made it clear that taking a name isn't required. Alternatively, as a William, he suggest Vasili, but my issue is that this is only the closest phonetic equivalent (William doesn't have a Russian variant). The other option is to choose a saint, but this will require extensive research as I want someone with meaning, not just a name picked at random.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #223 on: September 01, 2016, 05:47:48 PM »
I'm currently navigating this issue. I'm quite well acquainted with the (ROCOR) priest who is helping us transition into the faith, and he made it clear that taking a name isn't required. Alternatively, as a William, he suggest Vasili, but my issue is that this is only the closest phonetic equivalent (William doesn't have a Russian variant). The other option is to choose a saint, but this will require extensive research as I want someone with meaning, not just a name picked at random.

If it makes you feel any better, my relatives have been using variants of William as the English version of Vasili for oh a few centuries now.

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Re: Taking A New Name
« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2016, 04:20:19 PM »
I'm still torn on this particular issue. I take this aspect of conversion very seriously because, as far as I'm concerned, it's a fresh start - a second chance so to speak, and this is the name through which God will come to know me. I've narrowed my patron/name down to a shortlist of four:

1. St. Basil the Great - As a William, the congregation and Russian friends I've made through them already refer to me as Vasily. Basil of Caesarea thus came up simply as a phonetic convenience, but reading into his remarkable life and contributions to the Faith has given me a greater depth of appreciation of his life.

2. Tsar Nicholas II - I'm a huge supporter of monarchy - to the extent that absolute monarchy is my ideal form of government - and the last Tsar gave up his life in the fight first against liberalism, and then against the Satanic forces of Marxism which brought death and destruction on an unprecedented scale to Russia. It was an interest in the Romanovs that started back in the 90s - when I was about seven or eight - that kicked off my interest in Russian history and politics, in turn leading me to my studies (I just completed a Masters in Russian politics) and career path in academia and, of course, Orthodoxy (directly or indirectly, he led me to the Faith). Family is also very important to me, and Nicholas was a model husband and father, made all the more pertinent as the royal and aristocratic milieu of Russia at the time was dominated by debauched individuals dabbling in spiritualism, drugs, homosexuality, etc. My only reservations is that at times I feel like I'm taking his name and patronage for the wrong reasons; I don't want to fall into the trap of that pseudo-cult in Orthodoxy that worships the last Tsar as a Christ figure and the sees fall of the Romanovs as some sort of redemptive killing.

3. St. John of Kronstadt - I had originally thought his Dec. 20th repose coincided with my birthday, but was looking at the new calendar. Still, his feast is near my birthday, and he's a proper clergyman and wonderworker whose sense of charity, spiritual writings, and support of monarchy and traditional society speak to me.

4. Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow - Similar to St. John, with the added benefit that he helped to convert and spread the faith in North America, giving me that regional connection, and vocally opposed the Bolsheviks when doing so quite literally got thousands of others killed.

I'd be very interested in finding someone who led a true ascetic and spiritual life - a St. Seraphim of Sarov, etc. - but I'm admittedly not keen on taking an archaic name like that, even if only for church purposes.

My priest said to pray for clarity. I have, but no one has spoken to me or given me a sign yet, so it remains to be seen whether I'm Vasily, Nicholas, John, Tikhon, or someone else.