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« Reply #28215 on: April 16, 2018, 07:11:45 AM »
Wait, I'm confused.


So, according to you, am I not merciful?

Maybe not merciful, no, but you have other virtues. Ambition, that can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness. Courage. Perhaps not on the battlefield but there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to your family, to oc.net.

What if ambition drives me to LibreOffice Calc or Calligra Suite, though?

I googled both of those, and the joke is still going over my head, sorry! :)

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« Reply #28216 on: April 16, 2018, 08:15:16 AM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no clue, so there's that.

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« Reply #28217 on: April 16, 2018, 03:08:36 PM »
This situation that after a long time you're hugged by a male... And that's the head of an autocephalus Church
(yesterday our parish was visited by metropolitan Sava, as st. Thomas Sunday is our second parishional feast, and it was even more solemn than usual, as His Eminence was celebrating his 80th birthday; after Liturgy he noticed me, asked how the things are going on, hugged me and asked how to say "Christ is risen" in Arabic, so I said, and he told me to teach that other people).
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« Reply #28218 on: April 16, 2018, 04:35:02 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Yep. I am a colossal dork lol.
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« Reply #28219 on: April 16, 2018, 04:36:05 PM »
This situation that after a long time you're hugged by a male... And that's the head of an autocephalus Church
(yesterday our parish was visited by metropolitan Sava, as st. Thomas Sunday is our second parishional feast, and it was even more solemn than usual, as His Eminence was celebrating his 80th birthday; after Liturgy he noticed me, asked how the things are going on, hugged me and asked how to say "Christ is risen" in Arabic, so I said, and he told me to teach that other people).

Wow. You're in the inner circle!
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« Reply #28220 on: April 16, 2018, 04:43:03 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

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« Reply #28221 on: April 16, 2018, 04:52:08 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

Don't worry about it. It was likely a stretch in the first place lol.
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« Reply #28222 on: April 16, 2018, 04:53:07 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

Don't feel bad.  I read that exchange three times and for some reason it clicked this morning.   :angel: :laugh:
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« Reply #28223 on: April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

Don't feel bad.  I read that exchange three times and for some reason it clicked this morning.   :angel: :laugh:

Does that make me the Dennis Miller of oc.net?
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« Reply #28224 on: April 16, 2018, 08:37:51 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

Don't feel bad.  I read that exchange three times and for some reason it clicked this morning.   :angel: :laugh:

Does that make me the Dennis Miller of oc.net?
I had to google him.   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  I'm awful.
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« Reply #28225 on: April 17, 2018, 03:17:45 PM »
Different spreadsheet programs.  You said "excel."   ;D

Oh. Ohhhhh.  :-[ :laugh:

Don't feel bad.  I read that exchange three times and for some reason it clicked this morning.   :angel: :laugh:

Does that make me the Dennis Miller of oc.net?
I had to google him.   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  I'm awful.

I think he'd be glad to know that he's that obscure to someone!
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« Reply #28226 on: April 17, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »
Looks like it's my turn for the sore throat that's been cycling through the house...
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« Reply #28227 on: April 17, 2018, 04:12:05 PM »
NETS version of Sirach 31:25- "With wine do not be macho, for wine has destroyed many."
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« Reply #28228 on: April 17, 2018, 04:17:07 PM »
NETS version of Sirach 31:25- "With wine do not be macho, for wine has destroyed many."

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« Reply #28229 on: April 17, 2018, 04:29:51 PM »
NETS version of Sirach 31:25- "With wine do not be macho, for wine has destroyed many."

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The translator also insists on using the word "cash" in several places. Kind of hilariously jarring.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #28230 on: April 17, 2018, 05:15:16 PM »
They could have used "do not man up on wine" or something? IDK, poor word choices was always one thing that bothered me on NETS, but I had never come across this kind of bizarre.  :o 

P.S.: Reminds me of a parish I attended occasionally where the reader had to clearly withhold giggles chanting a translation of Psalm 91(92):6 that read something like "the stupid understands nothing, neither does the idiot". These anecdotes give us good example of why there's something like liturgical vocabulary.
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« Reply #28231 on: April 17, 2018, 05:50:10 PM »
They could have used "do not man up on wine" or something? IDK, poor word choices was always one thing that bothered me on NETS, but I had never come across this kind of bizarre.  :o

Actually, "man up on wine" sounds kind of strange to my eye/ear, too.

In my limited understanding, Sirach is one of the strangest texts in the LXX. It's a very wooden Greek translation of a Hebrew original that we only have fragments of. The translator (Benjamin G. Wright) says in his intro that he wanted to maintain that awkwardness in some places where the NRSV ("Do not try to prove your strength by wine-drinking") smoothes it over.

So, maybe it's a win for replicating the Greek or Hebrew poetic structure or something (I can't find an interlinear-style rendering of the Greek online), but I have to admit that I didn't understand what the verse actually meant until I looked it up for comparison just now. I just thought that it had something to do with acting stupid after a couple of drinks (the following verse about drunken arguments might have influenced me there).

Maybe it makes me a Philistine, but I kind of like the Good News Translation's rendering the best out of the ones that I've seen- "Don't try to prove your manhood by how much you can drink. Wine has been the ruin of many."

P.S.: Reminds me of a parish I attended occasionally where the reader had to clearly withhold giggles chanting a translation of Psalm 91(92):6 that read something like "the stupid understands nothing, neither does the idiot". These anecdotes give us good example of why there's something like liturgical vocabulary.

Wow. That's got to be up there with "butter mountain" lol.
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« Reply #28232 on: April 17, 2018, 05:56:04 PM »
Hall's cough drops have started printing little motivational speeches on their wrappers (or maybe they've always done that and this is just the first time I've noticed).

"A Pep Talk in Every DropTM"

"It's Yours for the Taking."

"Go Get It!"

"You can do it and you know it."

"Put your game face on."

"Buckled down and push forth!"

And the strangest one considering that I can barely talk right now- "Let's hear your battle cry."
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« Reply #28233 on: April 17, 2018, 05:56:52 PM »
Oh, wait. These are just "Dietary Supplement Drops," not the medicated ones. I think my dad got the wrong bag...
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« Reply #28234 on: April 17, 2018, 06:02:16 PM »
I just thought that it had something to do with acting stupid after a couple of drinks (the following verse about drunken arguments might have influenced me there).
I thought it might be more like proving you're a big guy by drinking a lot. Pretty much what most teenagers do nowadays?

Wow. That's got to be up there with "butter mountain" lol.
Butter mountain?
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« Reply #28235 on: April 17, 2018, 06:13:12 PM »
I just thought that it had something to do with acting stupid after a couple of drinks (the following verse about drunken arguments might have influenced me there).
I thought it might be more like proving you're a big guy by drinking a lot. Pretty much what most teenagers do nowadays?

Yeah, that seems to be the meaning.

Wow. That's got to be up there with "butter mountain" lol.
Butter mountain?
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Fr. Lawrence of Jordanville's weird translation of Psalm 67:16- "The mountain of God is a butter mountain, a curdled mountain, a butter mountain." http://www.saintjonah.org/services/midnight2.htm

I think "fertile" is the more literal translation.
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« Reply #28236 on: April 17, 2018, 06:30:10 PM »
My favorite is still this one from the HTM Psalter version of Ps. 151: "My brothers were big and good"

The NETS seems a bit better: "My brothers were handsome and big"

Though I like the NRSV the best: "My brothers were handsome and tall"

Now whether "tall" captures the full meaning of the bigness mentioned, I don't know.

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« Reply #28237 on: April 17, 2018, 06:48:18 PM »
I translated it as "Meus irmãos [eram] bons e altos" in my ongoing translation of the LXX Psalter, which stands for "good and tall". But looking again I should have translated it as "handsome and tall", kalós can mean both "beautiful" and "good" and in this context it seems David is eulogising their physical traits in contrast to his own spiritual traits. It was one of my first translations since I was excited about translating such a rare Psalm, so my skills were way too basic. HTM apparently took it the same way.
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I just thought that it had something to do with acting stupid after a couple of drinks (the following verse about drunken arguments might have influenced me there).
I thought it might be more like proving you're a big guy by drinking a lot. Pretty much what most teenagers do nowadays?

Yeah, that seems to be the meaning.

Wow. That's got to be up there with "butter mountain" lol.
Butter mountain?

Fr. Lawrence of Jordanville's weird translation of Psalm 67:16- "The mountain of God is a butter mountain, a curdled mountain, a butter mountain." http://www.saintjonah.org/services/midnight2.htm

I think "fertile" is the more literal translation.
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The LXX has “butter” I believe. This led several hymnographers to compare the incarnation to milk curdling into butter or cheese.
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« Reply #28239 on: Yesterday at 04:34:22 PM »
I just thought that it had something to do with acting stupid after a couple of drinks (the following verse about drunken arguments might have influenced me there).
I thought it might be more like proving you're a big guy by drinking a lot. Pretty much what most teenagers do nowadays?

Yeah, that seems to be the meaning.

Wow. That's got to be up there with "butter mountain" lol.
Butter mountain?

Fr. Lawrence of Jordanville's weird translation of Psalm 67:16- "The mountain of God is a butter mountain, a curdled mountain, a butter mountain." http://www.saintjonah.org/services/midnight2.htm

I think "fertile" is the more literal translation.

The LXX has “butter” I believe. This led several hymnographers to compare the incarnation to milk curdling into butter or cheese.
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Really? Huh.

NETS has "fertile," so I guess I just took it at face value (different translator for Psalms than for Sirach, I think Pietersma himself did Psalms).
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« Reply #28241 on: Yesterday at 11:28:25 PM »
Liddell-Scott has "fat" as a primary meaning (although this would probably mean basically butter in the ancient world if not directly referring to fat attached to muscle), but it has been used as "fertile" since at least Homer. In this case, the translator should use other ancient languages (specially Hebrew) for disambiguation. Hebrew wouldn't give a straight answer since it says "a hill of peaks" (har-gavnunnim), but this kind of insinuates abundance.
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« Reply #28242 on: Yesterday at 11:38:52 PM »
I always interpreted the verse as being a poetic way to refer to general bountifulness. That seems to be about right, then?
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I always interpreted the verse as being a poetic way to refer to general bountifulness. That seems to be about right, then?

Yeah, I think so. Same reason that "fat" has become idiomatic English for "abundance" as in "fat of the land" (which also shows up in the KJV in Genesis 45:17-18).
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« Reply #28244 on: Today at 01:48:56 AM »
Yeah, I think so. Same reason that "fat" has become idiomatic English for "abundance" as in "fat of the land" (which also shows up in the KJV in Genesis 45:17-18).
In Portuguese there is the commonplace expression "time of fat cows" (referring to Genesis 41) to talk about past wealthy times.
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"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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