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« on: March 30, 2008, 05:39:09 PM »

Do any of you know any living saints today?Huh Like in the deserts of Egypt or anywhere?Huh If so, who are they and where are they?
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 06:16:45 PM »

I look around at my own parish and the people I know and while they are godly, spiritually striving Orthodox Christians, I wonder just how often a real miracle working saint comes along?  I know they're out there though.  If someone gives you a name and location, are you planning a trip to visit these modern saints? 
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 06:22:06 PM »

Yes I most definitaly would visit them, becuz I need help very badly!!!!!! I'm very sick. I'm in absolute desperation and I'm begging for help.

That's why I've been asking everyone for any possible help.

I look around at my own parish and the people I know and while they are godly, spiritually striving Orthodox Christians, I wonder just how often a real miracle working saint comes along?  I know they're out there though.  If someone gives you a name and location, are you planning a trip to visit these modern saints? 
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 06:26:08 PM »

I would like to think that there are such saints with us in the world today.  However, it is often hard to tell until after their deaths, when stories about their lives finally are able to come out.  Usually these people are so humble, they don't allow those who are close to them to talk about what they see.  So it is not until after they leave us that we really hear the full extent of their holy lives.

Two men who are with us today who I think could be saints are Patriarch Pavle of Serbia and Abouna Fanous of the Egyptian desert.  Recently, a Coptic nun named Irina died and stories are coming out about her.  

Another holy man who recently left us was Anba Karas, who was a Coptic monk living in the Mojave Desert in California.  I met him once, before his illness.  He was a very quiet, unassuming monk.  You could barely hear him when he spoke.  Shortly after I met him, word about his illness came out.  He eventually died of cancer after a long illness.  The thing about him is that he must have been in horrible pain, but those around him said he never complained and continued to give glory to God until the end.  He never thought about himself, but continued to care about his spiritual children.  His relics are at St. Antony Monastery in California, and when I visit there I always ask his intercession.

I think God gives us these men and women not only to pray for us, but to also serve as inspiration, so we don't give up when things are hard.  
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 06:32:49 PM »

Yes I most definitaly would visit them, becuz I need help very badly!!!!!! I'm very sick. I'm in absolute desperation and I'm begging for help.

That's why I've been asking everyone for any possible help.


You may want to ask for prayers in the prayer forum here on our site.  Granted, not everyone here is a model saint   Smiley  (I know I'm not,) but the prayers of so many Christians are likely to be heard by God.  Also, you may want to talk to your priest about what to do about your illness.  What have the doctors said?  Do they offer you any hope?  I'm an unworthy sinner, but I will pray for you.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 06:38:15 PM »

Yea that is true, they are so humble and down to earth that they don't want people to know about them or know about what they do. They don't show it off.

Yea I've heard of Patriarch Pavle and Abouna Fanous. They both seem like saints to me too.

Wow, I live in California but I've never heard of Anba Karas. I'm new to the Coptic religion, that's why I don't know much.

I would like to think that there are such saints with us in the world today.  However, it is often hard to tell until after their deaths, when stories about their lives finally are able to come out.  Usually these people are so humble, they don't allow those who are close to them to talk about what they see.  So it is not until after they leave us that we really hear the full extent of their holy lives.

Two men who are with us today who I think could be saints are Patriarch Pavle of Serbia and Abouna Fanous of the Egyptian desert.  Recently, a Coptic nun named Irina died and stories are coming out about her.  

Another holy man who recently left us was Anba Karas, who was a Coptic monk living in the Mojave Desert in California.  I met him once, before his illness.  He was a very quiet, unassuming monk.  You could barely hear him when he spoke.  Shortly after I met him, word about his illness came out.  He eventually died of cancer after a long illness.  The thing about him is that he must have been in horrible pain, but those around him said he never complained and continued to give glory to God until the end.  He never thought about himself, but continued to care about his spiritual children.  His relics are at St. Antony Monastery in California, and when I visit there I always ask his intercession.

I think God gives us these men and women not only to pray for us, but to also serve as inspiration, so we don't give up when things are hard.  
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 04:15:33 AM »

Bishop Elia of Khartoum, Sudan.

Abouna Abram, last I heard he was in a village in Upper Egypt near Suhag.

Abouna Lazarus, an Aussie hermit monk, is in the Red Sea area, near St. Anthony's monastery and cave.

Abouna Fanous of St. Paul's, also in the Red Sea area.



Many many stories about these men.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 10:10:57 AM »

I believe Father Roman Braga is, he is the Abbot of Dormition women's monastery in Rives Junction, MI.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 10:55:33 AM »

Well, I'm sure there are many unknown living saints, working humbly in the vineyard of the Lord.

Beyond them, I think Mother Angelica and Fr. Benedict Groeschel are living "celebrity" saints. Oh, and an Iraqi nun I met last week---if I only had a tenth of the faith, hope and charity that she exudes!
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2008, 10:19:57 PM »

If you do not mind me saying that, guys, my first spiritual adviser Fr. Mitred Protopriest Mykola Bondarchuk of blessed memory (1900-1990) can be perfectly named as a fit into that category. He acted as a source of spiritual treasure for so many people.
While there are many great Christians around, I would like to mention also His Eminence Archbishop Iakovos (Coucouzis) (1911-2005) and Fr. Protopresbyter Bohdan Zhelechiwsky (1912-2003), a long time pastor of Holy Trinity Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Trenton, NJ. The list of course, is not limited. Much more could be added...
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2008, 10:49:19 PM »

If you do not mind me saying that, guys, my first spiritual adviser Fr. Mitred Protopriest Mykola Bondarchuk of blessed memory (1900-1990) can be perfectly named as a fit into that category. He acted as a source of spiritual treasure for so many people.
While there are many great Christians around, I would like to mention also His Eminence Archbishop Iakovos (Coucouzis) (1911-2005) and Fr. Protopresbyter Bohdan Zhelechiwsky (1912-2003), a long time pastor of Holy Trinity Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Trenton, NJ. The list of course, is not limited. Much more could be added...

I am absolutely sure you are right, Starlight, but how do you answer to those who say that it is impossible to be a saint while you are alive, because sainhood means perfection, a total absense of sin? Plus 1 Cor. 15 says that "flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom." I would really like to see some patristic justification of the concept that people become saints while they still live, it's just that the Church only acknowledges their already existing sainthood when they die.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 12:02:44 AM »

Personally, I would be very careful to call someone alive a Saint. In terms of those, who passed away I should probably rephrase and use, for example, such definitions as  "worthy of canonization" or "can be considered a Saint".

But Saints deserved their sainthood by their actions (of a different kind) during their lives. The recognition comes later. Instead, if someone still alive and undeserving would be mistakenly announced a Saint, then the impact of the error would be more tragic through development of cultic tendencies and abuse by a pseudo-saint person. But those all are just my thoughts.
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