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Question: What do you think of the Roman Catholic allowing a canonical divorce to address the problem of couples who cannot get an annulment?
They should. They need to address the modern problem. - 2 (11.1%)
They should but carefully, taking the Eastern Orthodox way of doing it. - 10 (55.6%)
I am indifferent. - 2 (11.1%)
I would rather they did not, but if the Holy See allows it, I accept - 0 (0%)
No. "What God puts together, let no man put asunder." - 3 (16.7%)
Other (explain if you wish) - 1 (5.6%)
Total Voters: 18

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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2014, 01:27:01 PM »

For the hundredth time on this forum, an annulment doesn't make the children illegitimate. 
Right. There was no marriage, but the children are legitimate. (?)

What sort of bizarre legal fiction leads to that result?
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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2014, 01:34:22 PM »

"If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck." They both entail the family being torn apart and the couple no longer living together. The only people that are going to think differently are going to be the scholastic theologians. But for the parties involved, it entails the same thing,...
This is true in many cases of RC marriage annulments granted since Vatican II.
just talk to the children.

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« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2014, 09:42:28 PM »

For the hundredth time on this forum, an annulment doesn't make the children illegitimate. 
Right. There was no marriage, but the children are legitimate. (?)

What sort of bizarre legal fiction leads to that result?

A civil one. Property has to go somewhere when someone dies. I think if there is no will and the deceased has property that goes to the next of kin, if that is the child, the legitimate child gets it before the illegitimate. If there is a will the guy can give to his mistress and leave his children out if he wants. If can give it to the Ku Klux Klan. Otherwise it goes to the next of kin--spouse, then children, ones by marriage before ones outside of civil marriage. I don't think the male has place over the female in inheritance but I think blood still has some place in the question. One can use the argument that such and such is not the deceased's legitimate child and would have a pretty good argument unless the bastard can show some proof the will of the deceased, even implied, or suggested, was otherwise. May be cruel, but laws have to have such boundaries to work. Within the Church I do not think it matters except that the child was born out of wedlock. But that's the parents sin, not the child's.

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