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Question: Which jurisdiction has the strongest monasticism in the U.S. ?
Antiochians - 1 (4.3%)
Greeks - 13 (56.5%)
OCA - 9 (39.1%)
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« on: June 21, 2003, 02:57:49 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2003, 04:28:40 PM »

You forgot the option for

Distance sadly prevents participation   Sad

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2003, 06:06:27 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2003, 07:39:04 PM »

How about a webcast for our separated brethren?

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2003, 06:44:32 PM »

I'm touched that most people want to do this on the weekend of 2 August, since my birthday is only a couple of days later.  Bring gifts.  Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2003, 08:01:50 PM »

Please let me know the coordinates so Scotty can beam me in.

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2003, 10:37:12 AM »

Well, looks like despite it being held in my hood, I won't be able to attend if it's any later than July 22.    :cwm45:  I'll be Down Under, but you guys have fun, D.C.'s a great town.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2003, 02:34:03 PM »

I sent out a mass e-mail out on Saturday. Today is Tuesday and I have not heard back from a single person.

Is noone interested in a summer getogether!?!?!?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2003, 02:52:24 PM »

I'm interested!
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2003, 03:12:12 PM »


Looks like August 2nd is the weekend.

Could everyone who plans to attend that weekend, please email Bobby by the end of this week.

Based upon the number of people who are planning to attend -  I need to make arrangements for reserving the picnic area, accomodations, etc.

As I said, I can accomodate a maximum of about 10 people between the Apt in VA and the house in MD. Anyone is welcome to stay.

The shin-dig is on!

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2003, 03:20:59 PM »

Aug 2 sounds good.

Tom, please put me down for the apartment.  Gotta go to work!
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2003, 03:39:33 PM »

I'm pretty sure I can make it that weekend too, so please put me down too.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2003, 04:32:00 PM »

I sent out a mass e-mail out on Saturday. Today is Tuesday and I have not heard back from a single person.

Is noone interested in a summer getogether!?!?!?

Yes and everyones' e-mail address was visible.  It could have been sent BC (blind copy not Byzantine Catholic  Tongue ) and the addresses would not have been visible.  

Maybe I am crazy but I presumed that voting for a date would show my interest.  I don't think you can expect to get RSVPs when a date is not established.  Or am I missing something?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2003, 04:42:51 PM »

My apologies for not blind carbon copying.

Hopefully noone will take advantage of my error and use it to spam or solicit or otherwise annoy you.

Looking back, my email was hastily written, however it disappointed me to see that out of 200+ email addresses, I hadn't received a single response back even asking for more info.

The intent of the email was to see if anyone was interested, that way I could avoid doing mass emails, and just targeting email updates to those that are interested.

I see we have a small group of people who gave their resounding "yes". I have gone ahead and added them to the Summer GetTogether list, and hopefully by the end of this week I will have a definite head count, to help out TomS who is greatly helping with this, and myself so I can take care of some of the administrative stuff.

Anyway, the clocks ticking, so if you wanna come, fire me an email. August 2nd.

bob@orthodoxchristianity.net

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2003, 04:53:32 PM »

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Hopefully noone will take advantage of my error and use it to spam or solicit or otherwise annoy you.

That explains the Icon of the month club for $24.95 +S/H spam I keep getting.  Tongue

I would like to attend, but I'm 12 hrs away, and have a possible overseas business trip coming right around (TBD) then.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2003, 04:58:30 PM »

Geez Oblio - don't leave me alone with all these juvenile delinquents!
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2003, 05:54:57 PM »

I might be over in the Holy Land around that time.  Maybe prodromos, the slave, and I could have an OC.net East division get together Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2003, 05:55:09 PM »

LOL. Maybe we can get Afanasiy to fly in from Hawaii? His profile says he is 78, Tom!
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2003, 06:11:00 PM »

Well I will have just arrived in Lourdes on the 2nd August - so I'm still out of it.

Sorry - a branch meeting could have been fun but for me it just is not on this year  :cwm45:
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2003, 06:40:41 PM »

Bad news guys.

If I am going to be the only adult, then I am sorry, but Lawn Darts are out!

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2003, 06:44:54 PM »

You wont be the only adult dont worry Smiley

I'm an adult!

In seriousness though, several "older" folk contacted me via email and are most interested in coming.

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2003, 07:03:55 PM »

Although I am going to be 22 two days after the 2nd of August, my brother tells me I have the personality of a 40-something year old.  Does that count?   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2003, 02:28:19 AM »

Someone keeps reminding us of their birthday !!!!!

Is there an ulterior motive behind this ?
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He's reaching the age of no return. Pretty soon he'll be an old geyser.

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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2003, 08:19:02 AM »

Like Old Faithful?  That'd be quite the metamorphasis!  

Any way we can get a headcount of the people who are commited to going so far?  Sounds like we might have around 20 or so.  

Also, Bobby, we may want to post a preliminary itenerary soon.
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2003, 09:08:26 AM »

Of course there is an ulterior motive...I said it in my first post:

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Just kidding.

As far as an itinerary goes, I am not sure what's going on.  Bobby mentioned a few things to me last night.  I personally am interested in looking up the Indian Orthodox parish down there so I can go there Sunday morning.  If anyone is interested in seeing how the other side prays, they are more than welcome to join (especially if they have a car, since I probably won't be able to bring mine).  Wink
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2003, 12:25:46 PM »

So far we have about 10 people who said they were coming.

As far as preliminary itinerary which is still open to change, it is as follows(TomS please correct me if I am wrong)

Friday Afternoon August 1st
Arrive in area, get settled, vigil at st. nicholas(5pm), activity afterward
Saturday August 2nd
Picnic, location depending on weather, tour of St. Sophias, opportunity to do plenty of other stuff.
Sunday August 3rd
Divine Liturgy, maybe afternoon activity, go home

As you can see, we have a lot of free time blocks, we can play it by ear, schedule something, or go explore the city. I am working on this now.

TomS most graciously donated usage of his apartment for a few folks who don't have a place to stay. I think it can only fit like 6-8 people, am not sure though. I was probably going to get a hotel room nearby if the apartment was booked, and anyone who is interested in going that route can let me know so we can get one cheap.

Again, it's pretty casual, it'll be a blast!

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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2003, 12:30:02 PM »

Bobby,

I'm excited about this...it's around my birthday as well.  Question:  Why vigil on Friday, August 1st?  I don't see it on St. Nicholas' online calendar.

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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2003, 12:31:24 PM »

TonyS - The vigil is on Saturday.
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2003, 12:31:50 PM »

I'm not certain. I think I meant to put that on Saturday, because I don't envision us having a vigil on Friday evening Smiley

If that is the case, Friday evening would be open.

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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2003, 02:29:20 PM »


6-8 people would work fine in the Apt.

There will probably be 2 single beds and a pullout couch in there.

Bring a sleeping bag just in case all the beds are taken when you get in!

I will have an extra sleeping bag if anyone is caught short. The floor is carpeted, so it is not too bad in a sleeping bag.

Please let Bobby or me know if you will be stayiing at the Apt so I can make arrangements.
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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2003, 12:23:41 PM »


I have 2 choices for those attending --

1) We could meet on the National Mall (a long grassy area between the Washington Monument and the Capital) at say 11:00 AM on Saturday Aug 2nd) for a picnic. Then you are in walking distance to all the major sites in DC. You can get to the Mall by taking the Metro (subway) from the apt in VA.

2) Could have a picnic at a park - like Great Falls on the C&O Canal. Could rent canoes and bikes on the canal and overlook the Great Falls of the Potomac. Many hiking trails to the river and falls.

I like #1 better myself. There will be tons of things for everyone to do from the Mall. Very nice for photos. The only caveat might be that alot of tourists down there - but hey - most of you WILL be tourists anyway!
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2003, 12:31:50 PM »

I like idea#1 myself...I think it would be ubercool to do an Akathist hymn on the Capital steps.  Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2003, 01:40:31 PM »

No disrespect intended here, but by August the Mall could be a hardpacked, no-shade-in-the-middle, longer then it looks, having to hike for restrooms through tourist crowds kind of place.  I'm also dubious with the current security climate that a crowd would be allowed to sing on the Capitol steps.

Around here, a picnic in a place with shade like Black Hills park (the page from the Montgomery County Parks Dept) or some other park might be a touch more congenial.  That's my tuppence and I've lived in this area for 17 years.

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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2003, 01:50:17 PM »

I think that "the powers that be" (read Dustin and Bobby) have decided on a park near Great Falls for the pre-Vespers fellowship.  We can rent a picnic area and have a cookout.  

Hey Bobby/Dustin, since you guys have more info, we should get an update on the itnerary. :p
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2003, 02:11:28 PM »

We want information....

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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2003, 02:49:42 PM »

Actually, the credit goes entirely to TomS, for helping us locate a place to have the picnic.

Everyone needs to give TomS a big thank you for everything, his apartment, time and help!

In regard to the park, Tom informed me that he would be checking out a few places, we wouldn't have to rent anything since our party size will be on the smaller side.

The way its looking, I will be driving 4 from Raleigh -> DC arriving in the 2pm range.

Tony S(not TomS) will be driving from NY with his group, he hasn't given me the latest update on time.

Any others are invited, and are welcome to email me so I can send you some more details via email.

But since noone has emailed me, I am assuming that this is the final headcount.

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Great Falls is a good place for a picnic.  The Mall is lousy in the summer, to crowded, dirty, etc.  I do suggest that you guys do the monuments by night, esp. the Thomas Jefferson Memorial & the FDR Memorial.  Was there last night showing my sis from RI around, & they look great. Also an option, renting a boat on the Potomac waterfront.  Right under the Key Bridge is a place you can rent conoes, moterboats, etc.  Word of warning, make SURE you park somewhere where you won't be towed.  Last night driving through Georgetown, we watched tow-trucks have a jolly time making sure some people's evennings were going to take a turn for the worse, and they have nightwork, but that's only during the weekdays.  Well, that's about all the advise I can think of... Oh, wait, also it gets REALLY humid & hot down here, so bring light loose clothing (sorry guys, I know ya'll wanted to show off in a'la Ricky Martin type shirt & pants, but you'll be miserable).
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2003, 11:25:39 PM »

Ebor -- Black Hills park is very nice -- but I am afraid that it will be too far for the people staying at the apt. in VA.

I am looking at: Great Falls (VA and MD sides), Lake Needwood (but it gets real crowded some weekends), and I am going to check out some other parks in northern VA tomorrow and Wed.

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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2003, 09:40:14 AM »

Great Falls Park is a good option, but it can be *very* crowded on summer weekends.  Are there any picnic areas in Rock Creek Park (I've never picknicked there)?  There are also some very nice informal picnic areas along the Potomac off the Mt. Vernon Parkway about 4-5 miles north of Mt. Vernon that are generally more quiet than Great Falls.  I think that the Mall would not be a very good place for a picnic -- it's really sunscorched in the summer and very dusty.  I will attend, other responsibilities permitting.

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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2003, 11:41:55 AM »

On the Maryland side there are lots of facilities available through the M-NPPC which manages county parks in Montgomery and PG counties. The variety of facilities is enormous; we could reserve anything from a picnic shelter to Woodlawn Manor. A lot of these have buildings with limited kitchen facilities and such. The hitch is that in P.G. county at least one person has to be a P.G. resident (we aren't) and in Montgomery at least 2/3s are expected to be PG/Montgomery residents. I'm guessing that we might be able to fluff the latter requirement. There's a park with a shelter directly behind our house-- convenient to St. Andrews Ukrainian Orthodox and also to a Ukrainian Catholic church-- I think there's an Indian Orthodox church a bit down the road.

I looked at the state park system and the only remotely close state park to No. Va. is Seneca Creek and maybe Patapsco. There would be no problem renting a shelter at one of these but neither is all that close to Virginia.

The local national parks are mobbed in the summer. I don't know about shelter rentals there. The mall in DC is strictly for tourists in August-- very hot and also a pain to get to.
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2003, 12:09:49 PM »

Great work everyone...with a month to go, I'm sure everything will work out wonderfully.

If possible, it would be great to visit The Brickskeller restaurant and beer house.  http://www.thebrickskeller.com/  Has over 1,000 beers available, sounds like a worthy place to visit to me! Smiley
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Brickskeller is an excellent choice, go there on occasion myself.  Might I suggest the OMMEGANG Abbey Style Ale or OMMEGANG Hennepin Belgian Ale.  My personal favs.  Ommegang is domestic, brewed by Cooperstown in the Belgian tradition, & is SO good.  I have a few pictures of the Brickskeller, and was thinking about posting them, but they're...  well, we weren't at our best when they were taken, though they do give a pretty good idea of what the common room looks like.  David, the only prob with the link that you gave is that it doesn't show the beerlist immidiately.  First time I went to that site I had to search for it.   Sad
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2003, 01:51:38 PM »

But nobody would be able to try the 1,000 beers because the trip is scheduled during a fasting period!  :'(
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2003, 02:07:49 PM »

Well, most of us will be travelling, won't we? Wink
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But nobody would be able to try the 1,000 beers because the trip is scheduled during a fasting period!  :'(

Not if you're an Anglican! Grin
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2003, 02:48:04 PM »

Must avoid making cheap shot at Anglicanism...must avoid making cheap shot at anglicanism... Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2003, 03:48:10 PM »

Well, that does lead to a question I've been pondering.  We cook in our family and we're local to the meeting area.  What can we bring to any picnic that is acceptable fare?  

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« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2003, 03:52:28 PM »

Other thought, I seem to recall reading discussions about E.O. fasting and there was discussion about wine is forbidden at certain times, but beer is a different case (as long as one is not drinking to excess.) due to times and places where the water was not safe for consumption. So beer was a way to make water 'safe'.

I also know that different E.O. fasting periods have different grades, as it were, of severity.  But I need to find the differences between the August/Dormition/Falling Asleep one and Great Lent for example.  

Basically, I want to know how we can be hospitable and not offend people.

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« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2003, 04:08:44 PM »

Good points Ebor!  It will not be fasting season for those on the Old Calendar and I expect there will be non-Orthodox there as well.  Also, fasting seems to vary by jurisdiction and among usages (Greek and Russian, for instance have different disciplines about olive oil!).  

I think some variety is called for.  Each will eat what he/she will eat.
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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2003, 06:29:01 PM »

Beer is not banned by some groups of Orthodox during fasting seasons--in many locals beer was the only thing people had to drink that was safe!
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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2003, 06:55:01 PM »

Tut tut Anastasios - spelling error which made funny reading on this side of the Big Pond Cheesy

<<in many locals beer was the only thing people had to drink that was safe!  >>

A 'local' is a pub, drinking den, ale house etc. You go down to the local at night for a wee 'swalley' or 'refreshment'

Did you mean' locale ' as in area . place, etc. ?

yeah yeah   -- I'm just being picky

Actually had a luvverley pint of Bitter and Twisted [ Harviestons ] yesterday with my lunch - very tasty
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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2003, 11:55:59 PM »

Good points Ebor!  It will not be fasting season for those on the Old Calendar and I expect there will be non-Orthodox there as well.

Well, if I and mine are there there will be Non-s in attendance. But food for the general gathering must take others into account.

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« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2003, 11:58:04 PM »

Must avoid making cheap shot at Anglicanism...must avoid making cheap shot at anglicanism... Cheesy

Thank you for your gallant efforts, David.  Grin (For the record Anglicans have seasons of fasting...just not in August.  Smiley )

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« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2003, 12:40:58 AM »

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Anything you want to bring is fine, but if you want to take our concerns into account perhaps a good compromise would be to bring non-meat dishes.   This way, the old calendarists can feast a bit and fast a little with their new calendar brethren and vice versa.  

Also, I'll try to remember to bring you a cd sampler of some of the celtic bands I spoke with you about in the chat room.
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« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2003, 01:41:10 AM »

For the record, the picnic will contain both fasting and non-fasting items(meat, hotdogs, hamburgers, yum).

Every other meal we have will be out of your own pocket and most likely take place at restaurants. So to each his own of course.

So, any dish you feel like making, I'd suggest go ahead and bring!

I will be doing some shopping on Saturday morning getting the basic stuff we will need.

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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2003, 04:19:42 AM »

Beer is not banned by some groups of Orthodox during fasting seasons--in many locals beer was the only thing people had to drink that was safe!

So in which locales in America is the water unsafe to drink?

See the problem? Application of eikonomia under specific circumstances does not then make it generally permissable to apply it outside of those circumstances. If you are drinking beer because you enjoy it (who doesn't!) and not out of health concerns, then it probably ought to be on your list of "don't eat"'s. Talk it over with your priest/confessors. We should be cautious of becoming legalistic, but on the other hand we seem all too ready to apply eikonomia whenever it suits us and it is that which primarily concerns me.

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« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2003, 08:21:16 AM »

OK, OK, this is already out of hand.

We don't need to get into a scrupulosity battle. (Though those of you who've tasted the water around here might agree that it is an excellent argument for drinking beer year-'round.)

My normally latent "commander" genes are getting activated.

Could someone please tell us goyim what kind of a fast this is?Huh?? I can prepare fasting dishes all the way up the scale, but I need to know what I'm aiming for.

Next: if we're going to use a picnic site we need to choose it and reserve it now. (Honestly-- this is turning into an exercise in Slavic chaos-- it must be contagious!) As I mentioned earlier, there is a county park immediately behind my house. It has a picnic pavilion, ballfields, playground equipment...... We have two ovens and a big refrigerator and a yak freezer, so if people want to bring things that need their temperature adjusted, we could provide that without having to rent someplace that had a kitchen. There are orthodox churches of all sorts around us-- actually, there are religious edifices of all sorts around us-- so people who wanted to go to the church of their choice beforehand could do so without having to drive across the area in between. It's about 45 minutes from Cathedral Row (St. Nicks/St. Sophia/SS. Peter & Paul) and I can provide straightforward directions. Unless someone objects I'll go ahead and try to reserve it; if people want something closer in I'll go look for something and reserve it instead.

Next: we need to start making a list of who is bringing what. We can't all bring chips and beer because some of us aren't college students anymore and can't live on that the way we used to. It doesn't have to be turned into Canon Law but we have enough people here that we need a little organization.

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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2003, 09:26:45 AM »

We don't need to get into a scrupulosity battle. (Though those of you who've tasted the water around here might agree that it is an excellent argument for drinking beer year-'round.)

Sorry if my comment seemed to be directed at the up and coming gathering. I was mainly addressing the attitude that Anastasios was expressing (I don't know whether he holds that attitude, he was probably just having a bit of fun). Anyway, I felt compelled to respond because I have struggled with it myself and have seen it in others, but in retrospect I was probably being over sensitive.

I hope God blesses you with excellent weather and that you all come away enriched by each others fellowship. I'm just sorry we can't all be there :'(

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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2003, 10:55:28 AM »

John,

My priest (carpo-Rusyn) told me that it's not an application of economia, it's just something that is not banned in the Rusyn homeland during fasting seasons, a local tradition, shall we say.

I also know, from discussing with other Slavic Orthodox, that this seems to be the case in other areas as well.  Wine and anything "strong" is banned but beer is left up to the faster, from what these people say.  Arab Orthodox tend to be a lot stricter--but one has to wonder if that is a result (sorry, guys) of Islam perhaps, with its strictures against drinking period? I don't know, I'm just wondering out loud.

Anyway, John, I only drink beer about once a month so it's not really hard for me to give up, and I would certainly do it if my priest said I should!

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« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2003, 11:00:54 AM »

Keble,

TomS was in the process of reserving one park that he thought might work; why don't you to private message each other and see what's up.

Thanks for your help!

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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2003, 01:13:09 PM »

Keble,

Good ideas...sounds fine to me.  Of course, I'm mainly along for the ride so I assume TomS would be a person to get in touch with.  Thanks for your efforts!
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My priest (carpo-Rusyn) told me that it's not an application of economia, it's just something that is not banned in the Rusyn homeland during fasting seasons, a local tradition, shall we say.

Thanks for clarifying that Anastasios. Your initial comment on unsafe drinking water suggested to me that it was application of eikonomia. I'm sorry I misunderstood you. I know that in the West there is something of a tradition for consuming beer during fasting periods, beer was referred to as "Lenten Bread". Many monasteries became famous for their beers, but considering how strong some of those beers are I would have to put them in the same fasting category as wine. Just those beers, not all.

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« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2003, 02:14:30 PM »

Prodromos, I remember reading something (long ago, a Russian saint?  Memery banks need some new chips) to the effect that when traveling during a fasting period and someone goes to the trouble of offering the traveler food. It is eaten thankfully even if it is non-fasting items.  Gratitude and charity take precedence over fasting rigor.  Just a side note that floated to the surface of my heat-affected brain.  Smiley

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« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2003, 03:10:32 PM »

Well put, Ebor. I was going to make mention of the same thing.

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