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« on: February 27, 2008, 02:10:51 PM »

Dose anyone know any thing about the Liturgy of Addai and Mari? Is it canonical  in its current form. If not, why? What changes need to be made to make it canonical ?
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 02:13:31 PM »

This is an absolutely fascinating discussion because, although I don't know about its current form, it did not, at one time have the words of institution.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 02:26:40 PM »

And posting the same question on Byzcath, too!

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 04:06:45 PM »

Dose anyone know any thing about the Liturgy of Addai and Mari? Is it canonical  in its current form. If not, why? What changes need to be made to make it canonical ?

There is no current form. This Liturgy died out of use in the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 05:34:30 PM »

There is no current form. This Liturgy died out of use in the Orthodox Church.
Still exits in the Ancinet Assyrian Church of the East and in the Chaldean Catholic Church.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 05:59:31 PM »

Still exits in the Ancinet Assyrian Church of the East and in the Chaldean Catholic Church.
That's nice but they are not Orthodox, hence it is a dead Liturgy for the ORTHODOX!
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 07:27:30 PM »

That's nice but they are not Orthodox, hence it is a dead Liturgy for the ORTHODOX!

Maybe, maybe not.  There was a group of Assyrians who embraced Orthodoxy under the ROC.  Most were killed by the Turks but some survived, and remained.  I saw an article a little while back that mentioned some villages in, I believe, Armenia.  The question is if they kept their liturgies when entering Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 08:30:55 PM »

Thank you to all of you that gave me constructive feedback...
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 12:41:49 AM »

If you click on the "liturgy of Addai and Mari" tag below, you will find some other threads touching on this.

Some links:

http://www.cired.org/liturgy.html

http://www.cired.org/liturgy/apostles.html

http://www.cired.org/pdf/raza.html
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 12:52:04 AM »

In 1912, Many Nestorians of Iran joined the Russian Orthodox Church.  Today there are about 750,000* Nestorians in Iran.

*Calculated for the total population of North Africa and the Middle East, approx. 460,000,000.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 01:02:32 AM »

I'm assuming you mean Church of the East (Assyrian Church.)  The numbers you quote seem a little large to me.  Could you link your source?  I'm just curious.

Another link concerning the liturgy:

http://www.nestorian.org/liturgy_of_addeus_and_maris.html
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 01:50:23 AM »

Maybe, maybe not.  There was a group of Assyrians who embraced Orthodoxy under the ROC.  Most were killed by the Turks but some survived, and remained.  I saw an article a little while back that mentioned some villages in, I believe, Armenia.  The question is if they kept their liturgies when entering Orthodoxy.

Yes they did, and there was still one parish into the 1990's in Tehran under ROCOR. Not sure what happened to it. They might have edited the liturgies somewhat though.
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2008, 02:21:45 AM »

Anastasios,

They used the DL of St. John Chrysostom translated into Syriac, they did not continue with the DL of Addai and Mari, which probably explains why more didn't join the union with Russian Church.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2008, 04:35:52 AM »

Anastasios,

They used the DL of St. John Chrysostom translated into Syriac, they did not continue with the DL of Addai and Mari, which probably explains why more didn't join the union with Russian Church.

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Can you give me a reference for that? Someone told me they continued to use their rite once, complete with their own vestments.  I'd like to correct my understanding.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2008, 09:14:41 AM »

History of the Syrian Nation and the Old Evangelical-Apostolic Church of the East by Geroge David Malech, published by Gorgias Press.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6dLH1XD0clEC&pg=PP16&lpg=PP16&dq=assyrian+bishop+join+russians&source=web&ots=oVfEiDD2bb&sig=dZcrgVOW85QNRU9VhiJKDq1KKas&hl=en#PPP16,M1

The Bishop Yonan mentioned above can be seen here:
http://www.roca.org/bishop_john.htm

The remnants of his group still have a parish in Baghdad and celebrate the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chysostom in Syriac although they are no longer in communion with anybody, but I think that is due to difficulty in communicating with ROCOR during Saddam's reign.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2008, 04:13:45 PM »

The information is found on the following webpage:
http://i-cias.com/e.o/nestorian.htm
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