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Offline Myrrh23

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Helping Illegals
« on: February 20, 2008, 01:28:27 AM »
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I'm not sure what the legal name for this law is, or even if it has become a law, but it concerns the politics behind the legalization of making it a crime to help illegal immigrants in the US in any way. As Orthodox, are we bound by this law? What are your opinions of this? for me, TinaG took the words right out of my mouth:

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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 06:58:49 AM »
In my area they passed a law that prohibits any charity or organisation from helping persons with out proper governmental visa, green card, etc.. after 30 days.
The Roman Catholic bishop, to paraphrase basically said;
We are in the service of living Christ's message.  We can't morally as Christians turn people away after 30 days. 

In high school our 11th grade Religion teacher (a Franciscan friar) was speaking of his community's outreach to AIDS victims.  A student said, Father, but how can you help them if they got AIDS during a very sinful act?"
Father said, "it is not for us to judge. We never ask them personal questions about how they got sick.  They are here because no one else will take care of them during their last days on Earth.  We are there to provide comfort, medical help and a hand to hold during their last days."

AIDS versus non-paper carrying persons may seem different.  However the message of love and Christian Charity is the same for both situations.  When people are in need we should be there to help.

Regardless of the sectarian laws of the nation we can not judge a person when he knocks at the door when he really really needs help.  It is our duty as Christians.
I say this because the law here restricts ALL organisations from helping non-paper carrying people after 30 days.  If the organisation does provide services after 30 days they can in fact be heavily penalised.
I need to check the status of this law here.


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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 10:15:15 AM »
Well said, Username!

I do take offence at the name of this thread, though. People cannot be illegal. People can do things which are illegal. In the case of illegal immigration, the crime is not filling out paperwork. It's about the same as failing to file your taxes. It's not a capital offence. And really, all the jail time, deportations, etc. we could ever do is not going to solve the real problem, which is that the paperwork has not been filed. This may be the only time you hear me praise President Bush, but he has the right idea when he says we need to help people fill out the paperwork and go on with their lives.
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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 10:17:45 AM »
sniff, sniff...smells like 'politics' in here.
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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 10:28:28 AM »
I admit I am not familiar at all with the laws or current situation here in my part of Texas, but considering we are so close to the border, we have a big population of undocumented Mexican nationals (illegals is almost a perjorative word now, the modern version of the old term "wetbacks") .  We don't have many raids because I think the population is so integrated racially.  We do have a lot of border control issues though.  The highway between San Antonio and the Rio Grande Valley is patrolled very heavily for vehicles transporting illegals and drugs.  Just an aside, but my husband was in the Valley this week for business and he got pulled over by a DPS officer and 2 border patrol cars for going 77 in a 75 mph zone.  Got the 3rd degree and was kept stopped for more than 15 minutes before let go with a warning.  There is a huge business in trafficking people and drugs.  The poorer people have to foot it from the border and they often die very horrible deaths from heat and dehydration 6 to 8 months out of the year.  

I think this is a stupid way to control people.  Terrorists aren't ready to invade our borders - they'll get here no matter what and so will the Mexican nationals.  Our solution is to spend billions for a Berlin Wall along the border and the only thing it will do is destroy the very sensitive ecology of the riparian woodlands and marshlands along the Rio Grande.  They have been almost wiped out and this will surely finish the job.  The Valley economy is highly dependent on nature tourism (birdwatching in particular).
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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 10:36:54 AM »
This is Pravoslav's board, so I'll let him make the final call, but in the interim, here's my informal guidance.

As long as the discussion stays along the lines of "how should we as Orthodox Christians act under this law," I think it'll be fine.  Anything else, including, but not limited to, discussions of what the law should be, effects of the law, changes to the law, opposition to the law, fighting the law and the law winning, etc., will probably be a one-way ticket to the private boards.

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Re: Helping Illegals
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This is Pravoslav's board, so I'll let him make the final call, but in the interim, here's my informal guidance.

As long as the discussion stays along the lines of "how should we as Orthodox Christians act under this law," I think it'll be fine.  Anything else, including, but not limited to, discussions of what the law should be, effects of the law, changes to the law, opposition to the law, fighting the law and the law winning, etc., will probably be a one-way ticket to the private boards.

That is all.

Ok, everybody...put out your torches and drop your sticks. We're not allowed to hit this Frankenstein monster every which way... ;)

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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 09:22:51 PM »
Personally, I have no problems with the word 'illegals' just as I have no problems with the word 'criminal'.  These words are descriptions of persons within the laws of sovereign nations.  If I were to enter into Canada or Mexico illegally, guess what I'd be called?  Now having said that, illegals (or illegal aliens if you like) are made in the same image as Christ that you and I are and it is the duty of a Christian to help them whenever we can.  I have nothing but the utmost, tremendous respect for immigrants.  These folks leave their countries, cultures and friends and loved ones behind (basically everything they know) only to face enormous uphill battles with a new culture and language and more often than not, prejudices and other forms of xenophobia.  Daily, I watch the struggles and difficulties of my Romanian girlfriend as she courageously deals with all of the above.  But- she came here legally AND (here's the crux, I believe, of the whole debate) rather than demand her host country print everthing in Romanian, she learned English.  So, I don't hold anything against folks wanting to live in another country; just do it legally and assimilate.
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Re: Helping Illegals
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:18 PM »
Ok, everybody...put out your torches and drop your sticks. We're not allowed to hit this Frankenstein monster every which way... ;)

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