We meet again. It is always amusing to listen to muslims defend a man (prophet) like Muhammed who cannot be defended because of his horrifying acts of savagery. I will not bring up any acts of muslims or savage arabs as you call them, I will only present the life of Muhammed and the Koran. Fair enough?
Interestingly enough though Abdul, since you were a muslim left Islam and then came back, why don’t you share with us what the penalty in Islam is for apostasy. Well in case you didn't want us to know, here is the authoritative Islamic penal code for that sin. Keep in mind this is not the author’s opinion (who is a muslim by the way) on the topic, he is merely presenting what islam (all schools of thought) teach on this subject of apostasy. In case you were wondering, the penalty for apostasy from islam is death after three days. Read it for your self.http://www.light-of-life.com/eng/ilaw/
I especially like the part that said,
“When the Muslim falls away from Islam -- may Allah forbid it! -- he is first asked to return. If he has doubts, he is to express them; one can then clear up his doubts, for it may be that he truly has questions with regard to the faith -- questions in need of explanation. By this it is possible to deal with his evil deed (sharr) through the best of two possibilities: death or the acceptance of Islam. GÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âª.. If he accepts Islam thereafter, it is good; if not, he is to be killed, for Allah says to "kill those who believe in many gods" (Sura al-Tawba 9:5), without fixing a deadline. The Prophet also said, "Kill him who changes his religion," without mentioning a delay, because the apostate is surely a hostile unbeliever and no asylum seeker (musta'min) who has asked for protection; furthermore, he is no dhimmi (a non-Muslim under Islamic rule), for no poll tax is demanded of him. Therefore, he should be killed without reservation.”
Blessed be the all merciful Allah GÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âª
If Muhammed is a true and final prophet from God, then we should all follow him and his religion. However, if he is a FALSE prophet, then he is a liar, his religion is false and the Koran is blasphemy because it claims to be the words of God, when in fact God said no such thing. Some excellent reading in my opnion http://answering-islam.org/Silas/
<--- this is not an islamic website but responds to muslims claims.
As a side note, in order to be absolutely fair to the muslim point of view, I will back up everything I say from ISLAMIC references and I will give you the link to these site from AL Azhar University in Egypt (The oldest and most prestigious Islamic university in the world). I will also link you the Awkaf ministry in Saudi Arabia which is the section of the government that is responsible for the propagation of Islam faith. These links are in Arabic so you don’t accuse me to misinterpreting or editing (I read, write and speak Arabic fluently by the way). I will also provide you with a translator incase you don’t understand what the Arabic website says. http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1
Muhammed praises the PAGAN Arabian deities:-http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/sverses.htmhttp://answering-islam.org/Green/satanic.htm
both the above websites are non islamic and same as the one I posted earlier.
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise; http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=53&nAya=19
Read what muslims admint is muhammed praising the pagan deities Allat, Uzza and Manat and he even bowed down in front of them. This is from Koran sura 53: verses 19-22 that were later “Abrogated” or canceled. Apparently Statan whispurred into muhammed’s ears satanic verses that muhammed confused for actual revelation from God. This is interesting reading in ENGLISH for those who care .. http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/sverses.htm
Muhammed was bewitched and left under a spell for 18 months.http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=5094
A man by the name of Lubiad son of Aasam bewitched the prophet by placing a magical spell in a comb that the prophet used. Having used the comb, the prophet’s hair fell out and he was under the influence of this magical spell to the point that he would think he did something that in reality he didn’t and sometimes do things without realizing he did them. Then Allah sent two angels in the form of two men who went searching for the comb that bewitched the prophet. They found that Lubiad son of Aasam had thrown the comb into a well, so the angel retrieved the comb and reversed the spell. When muhammed recovered from the spell he filled the well with dirt so that no one else would fall under that spell of the comb in the well.”
As a result Allah sent the two verses of the Korans known as “Al - mewatha-tain” meaning the two things I take refuge in. Wow .... let all follow the bewitched prophet.
If I asked you: Who is it that causes people to be lead astray, God or the devil? I think we all agree that it is the devil, for God desires that all be lead to faith. Well, lets see what this author of the Koran (supposedly God) says about himself in this regard. By the way, before you say that I am misinterpreting the Koran, I have taken the liberty to providing you with the link for the most authentic of Islamic commentators and interpreters such as AL-Tabari, Ibn Kathir, AL Kurtubi and Al Jalalien. There is nothing that can be said after their commentary:
ALLAH people to go ASTRAY:-
Sura 14: verse 4 We sent not a messenger except in the language of his people, inorder to make things clear to them. Now Allah LEADS ASTRAY those whom he pleases and guides whom he pleases; and He is exalted in power.http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=14&nAya=4
Sura 74: verse 31 The Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this? Thus doth Allah cause to stray whom He pleaseth; and guide whom He pleaseth; and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He.http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=74&nAya=31&taf=KATHEER&tashkeel=1
Sura 7: verse 178 Whom Allah doth guide, he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance, such are the persons who perish.http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=7&nAya=178&taf=KATHEER&tashkeel=0
Sura 2: verse 7 Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=2&nAya=7
Sura 32: verse 13 If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together.http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=32&nAya=13
ALLAH is a DECEIVER
The Arabic word for Deceiver in these verses is “MAAKIR”. Here is an Arabic-English dictionary showing the meaning of that wordGÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âª.http://www.alqamoos.com/idrisidic_1.asp?Site=0&Src_L=ara_ara1&DestLang=En&lpcWord=%e3%c7%df%d1
Sura 3: verse 54 And (then Unbelievers) plotted and planned to deceive, and Allah too planned, and Allah is the best of deceivers. (This verse by the way is talking about the Jews who planned to crucify Christ, but Allah deceived them by allowing a substitute to be crucified instead - Allah the great deceiver. Don’t take my word for it though, what muslim have commented on this verse)http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=3&nAya=54
Sura 7 verse 99 Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the deception of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=7&nAya=99
Sura 8: verse 30 Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and planed to deceive, and Allah too plans, but Allah is the best of deceivers.http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=8&nAya=30
Muhammed orders the execution of a 120 year old women:-
Muhammed orders the execution of a 120 year old women name Mother of Kerfa who ridiculed him in poetry. First of all here is refernce from the biography of Muhammed by Al Tabari (written in the 900’s AD +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âº+ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤+ÃƒÆ’ +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âº+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¼+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦Altabari in his book Alseera Al Nabawiya “The Prophetic biography Volume 2 page 463”) and the link from AL Azhar so you don’t think I am making this uphttp://history.al-islam.com/names.asp?year=6#n33
Describing who Mother of Kerfa is, AL Tabari writes:
“She is Fatima daughter of Rabia son of Badir son of Amru AL Fazari. Mother of Kerfa married a prince of the tribe of Hathifa and bore for him 13 children the first of whom was Kerfa by whom she is surnamed. All her children became leaders of their tribes. She was the dearest of all Arabs, and an example of honor and pride to them.. It was said if two tribes fought and Mother of Kerfa sent her shall on a spear that was displayed to both parties, then they would reconcile out of respect for her. She used to annoy the prophet with her poetry so in the sixth year of the Hijra (638 AD) he sent Zaid son of Haritha on a military expedition to kill her in the most heinous of ways. For he tied her legs with ropes and tied each of the ropes to a camel so that SHE WAS SPLIT IN TWO. She was an old woman when this happened and her head was severed as proof to all that she had died.
Here is the text in the Arabic for those that care. Thank God this prophet is so peaceful.
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+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âº+ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤+++Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦+ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¨ 2 / 463 - +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âº+ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤+ÃƒÆ’ +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿+Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦ +Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦ / 119 - 462 - 490.
This thread is growing ridiculously. So lets conclude:
This man muhammed:-
1-Could not tell the difference between satan’s revelations and the angel’s revelation t the point that he confused the words of satan to be the Koran. Basically we are being asked to follow the prophet who could not tell the difference between truth and falsehood.
2-This prophet was easily bewitched for 18 months by his enemies to the point where he didn’t know he was doing and saying thingsGÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âª basically delusional.
3-Muhammed committed terrible attricites like splitting in two the Mother of Kerfa, killing Kenana the Jewish leader and sleeping with Kenana’s wife that same night, Killed Ibn Rafi, beheaded 900 Jews of the tribe of Kuraitha, sleeping with Aisha when she was 9 and he was 53 etc..
4-The God that muhammed preached about is describes himself as a DECEIVER in the Koran (Makaar in Arabic)
5-The author of the Koran (supposedly God) doesn’t correctly understand the Holy Trinity and confuses it with Tri-theism
6-The author of the Koran fools everyone in history by replacing Jesus Christ with a substitute on the cross. Thus the Allah of Islam is the reason for all the Christians in the world incorrectly thinking that Jesus was crucified and makes himself a deceiver like his prophet.
7-I won’t even start describing to you the Islamic version of heaven that included the wide eyed virgins whose virginity is replaced everyime a muslim man sleeps with her in heaven, the all you can eat and drink buffets, rivers of wine and milk. Eternally youthful boys who “serve” the muslim man in heaven. Everything you muslims describe about heaven you can find in a Nevada brothel.
Finally I will say it funny how muslims always like to make the claim that islam is the “fastest growing religion” in the world, but are completely silent on the fact that 6 million muslims a YEAR LEAVE islam in Africa alone. Here is an interview with a muslim cleric on Al Jazeerah network wailing about this fact and how it can be stopped. It’s in Arabic though, sorry guys. http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm
If you want more testimonies in English of muslims who leave islam for Christ then try this site, there are many more though:-http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/index.html
Thanks AbdurGÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âª but I’ll stick with Christ and his true teaching and His Church, the Orthodox Church. In heaven you will be like the angels of GodGÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âªdoes that sound familiar?
Thank you Christ my God and my King for your death on the cross, despite what the muslims say.