Topic: Roman Acceptance of the Council of 879-80 as Ecumenical

[rakovsky]

Quote from: Αριστοκλής on January 15, 2008, 11:26:50 AM
Again, re-read the article. You are expounding the Frankish historical revision (and know full well what we think of Lyons).

I think we're all aware of what the Orthodox think of the Council of Lyons. Be that as it may, the Catholic Church (the Church I place my full loyalty and faith in as THE Church) declares Lyons to be a valid Ecumenical Council.

Can you please tell me why the Orthodox church does not consider the Council of Lyons Ecumenical? Were representatives of the historical patriachs not present and would that make it not ecumenical? (eg. Egypt, Antioch?)

[Αριστοκλής]

Quote from: Αριστοκλής on January 15, 2008, 11:26:50 AM
Again, re-read the article. You are expounding the Frankish historical revision (and know full well what we think of Lyons).

I think we're all aware of what the Orthodox think of the Council of Lyons. Be that as it may, the Catholic Church (the Church I place my full loyalty and faith in as THE Church) declares Lyons to be a valid Ecumenical Council.

Can you please tell me why the Orthodox church does not consider the Council of Lyons Ecumenical? Were representatives of the historical patriachs not present and would that make it not ecumenical? (eg. Egypt, Antioch?)

See  answer given to your duplicate question in 'Orthodox-Catholic Discussion'.

[ialmisry]

Hello,

Does anyone read any of the articles that we have on the site?

http://www.orthodox.ws/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=28

We have articles on this website? 

Seriously, I think I was vaguely cognizant of that fact, but you are the first to direct me to an article here.

Please read the rest of this article, published in 1966 by the famed RC priest Fr. Francis Dvornik. He very clearly indicates that actually your church adopted the Council of 879, but later stated that they had adopted the Council of 869...and I'll let you read the reasons why, since the reasons only buttress the allegations of historical revisionism that are being discussed in a different thread.

I read it in full later, if I have time. Giving it just a quick glance, I see nothing that indicates the the Catholic Church ever officially recognized the Council of 879 as an Ecumenical Council. I see nothing that indicates the same of the Orthodox Church.

The fact that the Council of 869 was not immediately and officially recognized as Ecumenical until centuries later (if that is indeed the case) does not prove or disprove anything. The Second Ecumenical Council was not officially declared Ecumenical until 70 years later at the Council of Chalcedon.

This bit of revisionism dealt with here:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,25516.new.html#new
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14289.msg202070.html#msg202070

[mike]

Interesting interview: http://www.portal-credo.ru/site/?act=news&id=102889

[ialmisry]

Interesting interview: http://www.portal-credo.ru/site/?act=news&id=102889

it is interesting, but what does it have to do with the First-Second Council?

Another example of why the canon 28 myth needs to be throttled at every opportunity.