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Catholic cults
« on: January 03, 2008, 12:28:39 AM »
On wikipedia when you in to a page on a catholic saint it states when they are commemorated and which church they are venerated by, it also states at the bottom when there cult was suppresed. what is a saint cult?
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 12:35:57 AM »
Well, since Wikipedia is about as trustworthy as a snake selling used cars, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Or a first for that matter.
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 12:36:47 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultus

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n Roman Catholicism, cultus or cult is the technical term for the following and devotion or veneration extended to a particular saint.

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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 12:42:12 AM »
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 01:29:40 AM »
Well, since Wikipedia is about as trustworthy as a snake selling used cars, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Or a first for that matter.

Ah, but like Al Gore, sometimes it's right (like here).
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 01:41:58 AM »
Shucks.  I checked this thread out because I was hoping to see a lot of incendiary stuff about Opus Dei or some such group.  Oh well.  Sigh....
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 09:46:22 AM »
The Catholic Dictionary has this http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd02516.htm

cult; cultus

    (Latin: colere, to devote care to a person or thing; hence, to venerate, worship)

    (1) Liturgy is the actual arrangement and execution of the public Divine worship as authorized by the Church. The Sacred Congregation of Rites, established by Sixtus V, 1587, as the authoritative organ of the Holy See, is the supreme arbiter.

    (2) Part III of the New Code of Canon Law is entitled, "On Divine Cultus." After giving the law governing worship in general (canon 1255) and public worship (canon 1256-1264), the Code gives special laws for the custody and cult of the Blessed Sacrament (canon 1265-1275); for the cult of the saints, sacred images, and relics (canon 1276-1289); for sacred processions (canon 1290-1295), and for sacred furniture (canon 1296-1306).

    (3) In Hagiology, we must distinguish between public and private cult of the saints. Privately, cult (dulia) can be paid to any deceased of whose holiness we are certain. "Public cult may be shown only to those Servants of God who by the authority of the Church are numbered among the Saints and Beatified" (canon 1277), by the regular processes of canonization and beatification. Canonized saints may receive public cult everywhere and by any act of dulia; the beatified, however, only such acts and in such places as the Holy See permits (canon 1277, § 2). Saints may be chosen with papal confirmation, as patrons of nations, dioceses, provinces, confraternities, and other places and associations.



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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 09:50:42 AM »
Shucks.  I checked this thread out because I was hoping to see a lot of incendiary stuff about Opus Dei or some such group.  Oh well.  Sigh....

Nope! Not all of us Orthodox are rabid anti-Catholics, as we are sometimes portrayed on the 'Net!
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 03:48:12 PM »
Ah, but like Al Gore, sometimes it's right (like here).
Hmm. I'll have to go change that. Can't have the kids thinking it's reliable. ;D

My new entry:
"Cult" short for "Cultus," is the name of a 1980's hard rock band with such hit singles as "She Sells Sanctuary" and "Rain." They are very popular among Catholics.

See? Too easy. I'd love to see Wikipedia wiped out entirely. I hate that it's always one of the top 10 hits on Google. The kids always seem to think that means it's a good source.

Philokalia, thank you for the definition. That was quite enlightening.
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 08:56:17 PM »
Nope! Not all of us Orthodox are rabid anti-Catholics, as we are sometimes portrayed on the 'Net!

Or perhaps not al of us Orthodox are rabid anti-Catholics, as we often act on the 'Net!

Hmm. I'll have to go change that. Can't have the kids thinking it's reliable. ;D

See? Too easy. I'd love to see Wikipedia wiped out entirely. I hate that it's always one of the top 10 hits on Google. The kids always seem to think that means it's a good source.

I agree entirely.  I only posted from it since I have spent most of my life as a Catholic and knew that the quoted text was accurate.  But you'd be amazed at how when I get stuck tutoring in our "writing center" how people are shocked that they shouldn't use wikipedia as a source in a paper for a university course.  And when it comes to doing actual research (you know that scary building called the library), so many students flat out how no clue how to go about it.  Today at work I was asked this (I am not exaggerating at all), "Like you mean I can get a um textbook at the library.  But like how would I um find it?" 

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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 09:39:38 PM »
See? Too easy. I'd love to see Wikipedia wiped out entirely. I hate that it's always one of the top 10 hits on Google. The kids always seem to think that means it's a good source.
Its only good if you use the sources that are used on different wiki pages.

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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 12:26:41 PM »
Hmm. I'll have to go change that. Can't have the kids thinking it's reliable. ;D

My new entry:
"Cult" short for "Cultus," is the name of a 1980's hard rock band with such hit singles as "She Sells Sanctuary" and "Rain." They are very popular among Catholics.

See? Too easy. I'd love to see Wikipedia wiped out entirely. I hate that it's always one of the top 10 hits on Google. The kids always seem to think that means it's a good source.

Philokalia, thank you for the definition. That was quite enlightening.

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I love the links that wikipedia gives.  But then, I'm trained in shifting wheat from crap.
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 12:41:48 PM »
I think a couple of things are important to keep in mind.  The word "cult" is obviously the operative word here, and should be one of the answers to your question.  The way the word is being used is probobly not the way you are used to. 

Also, there have been many authors who have used the term the "cult of the saints" which they extrapolate from the cultic worship of the pagans, which was then "christianized" into veneration for the saints.  All of this coming out of the ancient church (historical period). 

I have no idea if this is helpful...but there you have it!   ;D
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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 02:31:59 PM »
Please do not trust Wikipedia and any other internet knowledge site.

It's good for checking things and obtaining simple data; but research is still required for very serious decisions on any topic of interest.

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Re: Catholic cults
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 03:52:02 PM »
It both a curse and a blessing. I teach High School.  I also am a research product of the U of C.

I love the links that wikipedia gives.  But then, I'm trained in shifting wheat from crap.
Exactly. We who are college graduates understand research methodology. Those who have not even finished high school have no such training. Furthermore, the kids today are used to finding information on the Internet rather than in books and journals, so Wikipedia gives them a sense of citing a credible source when in reality it's no better than a blog. Therefore, IMO, Wikis do more harm than good.

Ah, for access to Lexis Nexis or EBSCO. Unfortunately, we don't have that kind of money here. :( :'(
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