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"I sure hope I'm reading you wrong, but it appears to me that Ukrainian *nationalism*and politics is somehow more important than either the Eastern Orthodox or Eastern Catholic faiths to far too many Ukrainians"
For some but you see in Eastern Europe, each country consists of a different ethnic tribe if you will, but with that, the church becomes a part of the culture, a part of the national soul, so the perception of church ang church politics is closely tied to nationalism. It is a fine line between over emphasis of culture and faith, but with all these different ethnic 'tribes' religion and culture form the faith. The whole calendar, languague, history, everything (almost
) revolves around the church.
The Eastern Faith is dear to many Ukrainians, be it Greek Catholics or uncanonical Orthodox faithful. Look at all the years of Soviet oppression, the UGCC was made an illegal entity, so She went underground, a martyred church. Also, the church in Ukraine preserves the Ukrainian languague in a country where Russian, and I know first hand, is predominant, unfortunately.
In the States, Ukrainians fled to come to freedom, so they took advantage of the situation and organized many churches, where not only were they a spiritual hub, but a cultural center. The culture and faith mix and form the Church (I am speaking on behalf of us Ukes).
"What's with this title of "Patriarch" Lubomyr? Isn't the OFFICIAL title (bestowed by Rome) of the head of the UGCC "Major Archbishop of L'viv"? And isn't His Eminence, Lubomyr Husar a Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church? "
This past July, the UGCC had a SObor in L'viv and following it, the bishops held a synod in Kyiv (Kiev) and proclaimed the church a Patriarchate and a Patriarchal Sobor is being built in Kyiv as we speak. Rome has not given approval but the Eastern Congreation more than likely will , because an Eastern hierarch is FINALLY in charge of it. Patriarch Lubomyr is a Cardinal, yes. The title bestowed by Rome doesn't matter to Ukrainians. Most were calling the See a Patriarchate since the time of Patriarch Slypiy. Every Ukr. Cath. Bishop has ordered all the parishes to commend Husar as Patriarch during Liturgy now.
"What's the difference between being ecclesiastically subject to Rome or Moscow?"
Rome lets the UGCC exist, and promotes it return to her Eastern spiritual roots. Moscow made it illegal and would LOVE to see every Ukrainian church be disbanded.
There is also a large dislike (I am using nice words) amoung Ukrainians towards Russia. Serge could maybe comment on Russian view about us, since he is involved in Russian culture and spirituality. He also has interesting views on the people of Kyivan-Rus'.
"Or doesn' t it matter in the end, just so long as there is unification as a united Ukrainian people? Tell that to all the Ukrainian Pentecostal immigrants we have arriving daily in my area"
Most of them are Russified. There are a said 300,000 in Sacramento. That is 300,000 who belong in UOC or UGC churches, but that's just me.
"One last point: NOT ALL Autocephalous Orthodox Churches have a Primate bearing the title of "Patriarch.""
I know, the UAOC in Ukraine is under Metropolitan Meofodiy of Ternopil.
"If Rome awards Cardinal Husar the title of "Patriarch" it would only be to win more Ukrainians--Orthodox Ukrainians--to the Unia under Rome, IMHO"
Possibly. But the UGCC is (was) the largest Eastern Catholic Church. All of the small ones have a patriarchate. It is only political that the UGCC hasn't been recognized as a Patriarchate. It is because, in my opinion, if Rome did, forget any chance of communication with Moscow and Agent Dvozhdy errrr I mean Partiarch Alexiy II.
Hope I cleared some things up. Serge, please comment on your views of Rus' and how culture and religion mix to make the faith of the people. I always like reading your ideas on it, because I am used to the Ukrainians are God's chosen people spin