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Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« on: December 27, 2007, 07:14:54 PM »
Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, the first female PM for Pakistan, has been assassinated today by a shot to the neck.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 07:35:45 PM »
Very sad. 

Given the recent news about her return though, I have to say that I'm not too surprised.  This Islamists who did it will always find a way to ret rid of anything/anyone they find as being "progressive".

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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 07:41:08 PM »
This is only going to get worse in the next few days.  No doubt her supporters, understandably, will want revenge.

I don't know if the Islamists did this or not.  I think it as likely that Musharraf could have ordered this or worked through secondary channels to have this done.  Whoever is responsible, Pakistan is headed for some major trouble which will definitely spill into other parts of the region thus pulling in India, Iran, China and Russia.  The U.S. won't be able to stand on the sidelines on this one.

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 07:44:24 PM »
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 07:50:29 PM »
This is only going to get worse in the next few days.  No doubt her supporters, understandably, will want revenge.

...major trouble which will definitely spill into other parts of the region thus pulling in India, Iran, China and Russia.  The U.S. won't be able to stand on the sidelines on this one.
Yet Musharraf is still an ally with the US.  I think Prez Bush may need to re-address his policies with Pakistan; possibly putting more pressure on Musharraf.

 Lord have mercy on her soul and her husband and three children.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 07:58:30 PM »
What a tragedy.   :'(

I don't know if the Islamists did this or not.  I think it as likely that Musharraf could have ordered this or worked through secondary channels to have this done.

Musharraf could have simply done nothing and simply allowed Islamists to do this without any prompting.  We'll see how long Sharif remains alive.   

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Whoever is responsible, Pakistan is headed for some major trouble which will definitely spill into other parts of the region thus pulling in India, Iran, China and Russia.  The U.S. won't be able to stand on the sidelines on this one.

When the USSR collapsed the Russian Federation basically had complete control of the Soviet nuclear cache.  When Pakistan becomes an completely failed state, in whose hands will the nuclear arms land?

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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 07:59:15 PM »
*sighs* I was afraid of this happening. Lord have mercy. +
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 10:43:09 PM »
I can't say I'm particularly surprised but I am definitely saddened at the news.

Lord have mercy on Prime Minister Bhutto and on all His servants in Pakistan.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2007, 01:42:32 AM »
When Pakistan becomes an completely failed state, in whose hands will the nuclear arms land?
This is a very serious question. Nuclear weapons are unlike any other weapons, with their enormous destructive power, which will not discriminate between civilians and military,  and the long lasting poisonous radioactive gases that can be spread over wide areas. Pakistan appears to be unstable and also is home or near home to some terrorist groups. And on top of that, it is known that a scientist from Pakistan, Dr. Khan, has given or sold blueprints on centrifuges and other information pertinent to what is required to build these terrible nuclear weapons. It is sad to say that American scientists have been responsible for the development of these terrible weapons, which now hold such a terrible threat to all of mankind.

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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 01:48:47 AM »
God rest her soul.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 02:04:57 AM »
I don't like the jumping to conclusions that President Musharraf is behind this--his party was and is the majority in Pakistan no matter how much the media wanted to highlight Bhutto, so it seems unlikely that he was that afraid. And I certainly hope we don't put any more "pressure" on him. Forcing democracy on other countries too rapidly--especially by importing ex Prime Ministers who were both widely viewed as corrupt as an "alternative"--is not likely to produce the "right" results.

That being said, obviously I think this is a terrible tragedy and this kind of terroristic response is horrible. Bhutto should have had the chance to be elected PM if that is what the people wanted and/or had the chance to clear her name if she was in fact innocent of corruption.

If I am wrong about Musharraf I will eat crow though.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 02:43:12 AM »
And I certainly hope we don't put any more "pressure" on him. Forcing democracy on other countries too rapidly...
What I meant by 'pressure' is that Prez Musharraf needs to be more pro-active in reigning in those who will not abide by his country's laws.  Since the entire world will be affected by a nuclear detonation, it is the entire world's responsibility to put more pressure on him to act like a leader and take care of his country.  No more playing General soldier boy.  Prez Bush told him to take off his uniform and relinquish that post.  Now he either acts to bring justice to Pakistan or something else will have to be done.  The world cannot sit by and hope he'll do the right thing because this has suddenly become a very real and grave situation.  And this isn't the same thing as 'forcing' democracy.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 02:46:02 AM »
Lord have mercy on her soul.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 03:01:29 AM »
What I meant by 'pressure' is that Prez Musharraf needs to be more pro-active in reigning in those who will not abide by his country's laws.  Since the entire world will be affected by a nuclear detonation, it is the entire world's responsibility to put more pressure on him to act like a leader and take care of his country.  No more playing General soldier boy.  Prez Bush told him to take off his uniform and relinquish that post.  Now he either acts to bring justice to Pakistan or something else will have to be done.  The world cannot sit by and hope he'll do the right thing.  And this isn't the same thing as 'forcing' democracy.

In Musharraf's defense he has sent troops on combat operations in the Federally administered tribal areas - something that others hadn't been able to do.  It could be argued that had he done anything more, an outright civil war could have broken out.  It's a tricky situation all around - completely free elections could lead to a collapse of Pakistan and the creation a Taleban type regime.  But.. the long-term consequences of an autocrat could also be the growth of political Islam.  This is about as no-win as it gets. 

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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 12:46:24 AM »
This is about as no-win as it gets. 

This pretty much sums up the middle east.  As much as I abhor the idea to sit back and watch as people slaughter each other for their own agenda, that may be the safest course of action, but seldom has anything happened in the middle east which did not draw in the other powers of the world (i.e. U.S., Russia, China).
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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2007, 01:44:48 AM »
There are now coming out conflicting reports on her cause of death.

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Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated in Pakistan
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2007, 02:03:45 AM »
I think everyone might have missed it in the news just before the assasination of Benazir Bhutto, and it is a real cause for alarm.  The reported cases (2 I think) of human-to-human bird flu transmission.  Pakistan is a country that is falling apart politically and without a strong government and a fully functioning health monitoring system, containment of bird flu is going to be virtually impossible if this is the beginning of a pandemic.  Now that's scary.
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