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"The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« on: December 22, 2007, 10:55:46 PM »
While browsing through an Orthodox website
(http://www.holycrossorthodoxmonastery.com/links.html)
I came across a link to a “Gallery of Christian Symbols”
(http://www.prs.org/gallery-chrst.htm)

In this gallery, one of the featured images is “The Tree of Noah" from the Breeches Bible of 1599. 
I was immediately impressed by the symbolism this image expressed
(showing the whole world sprout from the ark… starting with Noah’s three sons).

Then, at the bottom I noticed the word Armenia.

So, I ask any Armenian Orthodox here:
“Is this a familiar image to you?  Do you know the significance of the word Armenia here?”


Thanks in advance… God bless
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 11:41:53 PM »
I've never seen a "Tree of Noah" like that in the Armenian Church.  I think the word "Armenia" may be under the ark because the ark rested on Mount Ararat and Mount Ararat is in Armenia.  That's the only explanation I could give.

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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 11:53:10 PM »
Then, at the bottom I noticed the word Armenia.
So, I ask any Armenian Orthodox here:
“Is this a familiar image to you?  Do you know the significance of the word Armenia here?”
I'm not Armenian, but I think I may know something about this thanks to an Armenian friend here in Australia.
The "Mountains of Uratu" where Genesis says Noah's Ark landed were renamed "Ararat" in the 4th century, and were originally in Armenia. The Turks annexed them, and they are now in what is called Turkey. The Ark is believed to still be on one of these Mountains ("Mount Ararat"- which is actually a twin peak of two mountains).My Armenian friend who showed me some some photo's in a book of a Cross made from wood retrieved from the Ark by in the 4th Century and kept by the Armenian Church. The mountain is now off-limits thanks to the Turks.
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2007, 12:23:47 AM »
I think the word "Armenia" may be under the ark because the ark rested on Mount Ararat and Mount Ararat is in Armenia.

The "Mountains of Uratu" where Genesis says Noah's Ark landed were renamed "Ararat" in the 4th century, and were originally in Armenia... My Armenian friend who showed me some some photo's in a book of a Cross made from wood retrieved from the Ark by in the 4th Century and kept by the Armenian Church.


Wow, thank you both so much!  That is so awesome to know. 

So, let me get this straight:
The Armenian Orthodox have the Ark of Noah...
the Ethiopian Orthodox have the Ark of the Covenant...

golly, you Oriental Orthodox have ALL the Arks!  :D ;D ;)
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2007, 12:25:22 AM »
My Armenian friend who showed me some some photo's in a book of a Cross made from wood retrieved from the Ark by in the 4th Century and kept by the Armenian Church.

Do you know if any of these pics (or articles about it) are online?
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2007, 12:40:03 AM »
http://www.armenianchurch.net/worship/nibis/ararat.html

Above is a link to a picture of Mount Ararat.  As you can see it has twin peaks, as George said.

The cross made out of wood from the ark may have to do with a story about St. James Nisibis:

http://www.armenianchurch.net/worship/nibis/james.html

In Armenian, St. James Nisibis is called Soorp Hagop Mdzpnah.  He is very popular among the Armenians.  Basically, the story is that he tried to climb Mount Ararat to see the ark, but he was too old and couldn't make it.  So an angel comforted him by giving him a piece of wood from the ark. 


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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »

So, let me get this straight:
The Armenian Orthodox have the Ark of Noah...
the Ethiopian Orthodox have the Ark of the Covenant...

golly, you Oriental Orthodox have ALL the Arks!  :D ;D ;)

Not only that, but we have great food:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14005.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13011.0.html


 8)   ;D

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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007, 11:09:26 PM »
Still unfair.  Still haven't eaten dinner yet.
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 02:08:43 AM »
This is about the wood from the ark given to St. James, mentioned above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4Ct_a1xvE

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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 02:13:19 AM »
I've never seen a "Tree of Noah" like that in the Armenian Church.  I think the word "Armenia" may be under the ark because the ark rested on Mount Ararat and Mount Ararat is in Armenia.  That's the only explanation I could give.

I did see something similar in Armenian Churches in Egypt, except that instead of a tree there was a Cross.

I have to say, it is sad that from Erevan one can see Ararat, but can never go there.
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Re: "The Tree of Noah" Breeches Bible of 1599… Armenian?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 06:24:08 PM »
This is about the wood from the ark given to St. James, mentioned above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4Ct_a1xvE


 :o :)  Wow!... thanks, Salpy!  Its funny, I kept thinking: "Now where do I know that guy (the interviewer) from?"  Then I remembered: he's the same guy who put together a series on the Ark of the Covenant!

Ethiopian Orthodox church has Ark of Covenant PART 1
Ethiopian Orthodox church has Ark of Covenant PART 2
Ethiopian Orthodox church has Ark of Covenant PART 3
Ethiopian Orthodox church has Ark of Covenant PART 4


It is so wonderful to know that both the Ark of the Covenant and the Ark of Noah are (just as the original Cross) preserved and venerated in the Orthodox Church!
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