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Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« on: December 13, 2007, 05:39:11 PM »
^^It's true :)

I've been lurking here long before I registered, so I wanted to thank you all for helping me to understand Orthodoxy a little better. Sometimes you answered questions that I didn't know I should be asking  :o .

So...yeah :laugh:
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 05:51:10 PM »
Congratulations, Rowan! Many Years!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 05:56:57 PM »
Awesome! I echo Heorhij's sentiments!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 06:03:49 PM »
Congratulations, Rowan!

Celtic and Old English Saints          15 April

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* St. Ruadan of Lorrha
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St. Ruadan of Lorrha (Lothra), Abbot
(Ruadhan, Rodan, Rowan)


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Born in Leinster, Ireland; died 584. Saint Ruadan, born of royal Munster stock, became a disciple of Saint Finian of Clonard (f.d.December 12). Because he was the founding abbot of Lorrha-Lothra Monastery in Tipperary, where he directed 150 fervent monks who produced the masterpiece Stowe Missal, Ruadan is considered one of the "Twelve
Apostles of Ireland".  He divided his time between prayer and manual labour sanctified by prayer.

One legend of Ruadan involves the Cursing of Tara, wherein the saintly abbot invoked a solemn curse against the High King of Tara for violating the sanctuary of the monastery to capture the king of Connaught. It is said that the curse was so efficacious that Tara was ruined and deserted. However, the Ardri continued to reside at Tara till his death
(564). The legend as to Tara's halls having been deserted after 564 is of comparatively late origin, and is contradicted by the fact that a Feis was held at Tara in 697.

St. Ruadhan's hand was preserved in a silver shrine at Lorrha until the great vandalism of the Reformation. The parish church of Lorrha is built on to an ancient oratory, which may be that of Ruadan.

The little town of Lorrha near Lough Derg, is still set in the surrounds of ancient monastic ruins. The churches, whether in ruins or still in use, are noted for their stone-carving, wood-carving and other crafts (Attwater2, Benedictines, Delaney, Farmer, Healy, Husenbeth, Montague,
O'Hanlon).

Another Life:

One of the early saints of Ireland, and the founder and first abbot of Lothra in County Tipperary, Ruadhan was educated by St. Finnian of Clonard, and was reckoned as one of the most distinguished of his disciples. The Lives which have come down to us are late versions and unfortunately are so full of fabulous additions that it is difficult to
be sure of what is actually historical. S. Ruadhan is chiefly remembered for his cursing of Tara, and the account describes how the place was blasted to the ground and wiped out from all the subsequent history of Ireland.

There is no doubt that there was animosity and rivalry between Ruadhan and King Dermot, but the King had a healthy regard for the abbot. When one of the nobles fled from the King, he took refuge first with his relative Senach, but Senach passed on this cousin of his, who was called Odo, to Ruadhan, reckoning that he would give him greater protection. Ruadhan had a chamber or crypt beneath his oratory and concealed the fugitive there, placing a chair over the hatch. Dermot, arriving at the cell, seated himself on the chair and demanded where Odo was hidden. Ruadhan answered truthfully, "I cannot say, unless he is beneath your chair".

Tara was not only the seat of the High King but also the centre of the Druidic religion, and the cursing may well be a way of describing how the Celtic civilisation was altered and revitalised by the Christian Church. The significance of the thirty sea-green horses paid to King Dermot by St. Ruadhan as ransom for Odo is more difficult to explain.  The story of the saint's dealing with lepers, of how he struck his staff in the ground and a fountain gushed forth cleansing twelve lepers from their disease, is much easier to understand.

The old parish church at Lorrha is built on the site of St. Ruadhan's monastery, and the stumps of two High Crosses are to be found in the church yard there. The Stowe Missal, with its fine shrine, now in the National Museum in Dublin used to be at this monastery, and S. Ruadhan's Bell is in the British Museum in London (Bowen).


The Cursing of Tara
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4494/tara.htm

A hundred after Saint Patrick had come and gone, there was a King who ruled Ireland whose name was Diarmuid Mac Cearbhaill. He was the high king of Ireland, ruling his kingdom from his throne at Tara.

Now it happened that one of Diarmuid's men was killed by a chieftain named Hugh Guairy who had a bishop for a brother. This bishop happened to be a close friend of Saint Ruadan of Lorrha. When Diarmuid sent men to arrest Guairy, the clergy, at the request of the bishop, provided him with a safe house. Diarmuid, however, had little respect for the bishops of the new religion, and Guairy was taken away from under the refuge of the Church.

The bishops of Ireland joined together against the King who had dared to strike against their authority. They gathered together at Tara and fasted against the King, cursing him and his seat of government. It was at this time that Diarmuid's wife had a prophetic dream, and she told it thus to Diarmuid:

"Upon Tara's green was a vast and wide-foliaged tree, and eleven slaves hewing at it; but every chip that they knocked from it would return into its place again and there adhere instantly, till at last there came one man that dealt the tree but a stroke, and with that single cut laid it low."

Diarmuid immediately knew that the tree was the authority of the Irish monarchy; that the twelve hewers were the Saints of Ireland; and the one who laid it low was Saint Ruadan. Recognising the fate of his country hanging in the balance the King exclaimed:

"Alas, for the iniquitous contest that ye have waged against me; seeing that it is Ireland's good that I pursue, and to preserve her discipline and royal right; but 'tis Ireland's unpeace and murderousness that ye endeavour."

But Saint Ruadan cursed Tara saying, "Desolate be Tara forever and ever".  Guairy was surrendered to the fasting bishops and Tara was abandoned, and never more did Ireland have a King of all Her People except for the short time that Brian Boru drove the Vikings from Clontarf.

N.B. Ruadan's embassy to King Dermot at Tara, in 556, is worked into a romance known as the "Cursing of Tara", but the ard ri (high king)continued to reside at Tara till his death (564). The legend as to Tara's halls having been deserted after 564 is of comparatively late origin, and is contradicted by the fact that a Feis was held at Tara in 697.


Text of the Stowe-Lorrha Missal:
Part 1: http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe.htm
Part 2: http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe2.htm

Another Format:
http://celticchristianity.org/stowe.html

Medieval Irish Book Shrines and Book Satchels
( including the Stowe-Lorrha Missal):
http://www.eskimo.com/~hmiller/cumdachs.html

For those who only wish to see the pictures:
http://www.eskimo.com/~hmiller/cumdach.html

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 06:14:36 PM »
Many years!

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 06:16:20 PM »
Many years!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 06:27:34 PM »
Text of the Stowe-Lorrha Missal:
Part 1: http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe.htm
Part 2: http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe2.htm
These links no longer work.

Try here

Part 1
http://web.archive.org/web/20021219230809/http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe.htm

Part 2
http://web.archive.org/web/20030214220709/http://www.illusions.com/rowanhold/stowe2.htm

This 8th century Celtic Liturgy is used in the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad in the Diocese of Australia and New Zealand, with the blessing of His Grace Archbishop Hilarion.

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 06:29:26 PM »

Many many years!

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 06:46:59 PM »
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 07:35:58 PM »
Wonderful news! Many years!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 10:17:43 PM »
Rowan,
Congratulations! May God extend all His blessings to you. Welcome home

I've been lurking here long before I registered,

Actually, so did I.


Irish Hermit,
Thank you for the excellent information! Very interesting.

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 11:04:05 PM »
Rowan,   
Many blessing to you this Sunday and for the rest of your days!!!  I think I already told you that I have a little daughter named Rowan, so that name is dear to me.  We will say a prayer for you tonight!

Juliana :)

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 11:07:46 PM »
Thanks for the congrats everyone, and thanks Irish Hermit for the info. I love hearing about Western saints!

Too bad "Rowan" isn't even my real name. I just like the name of the particular tree, so I thought it would make a good net username. My Christian name will be Mary, after St. Mary of Egypt :)

Many thanks for your prayers Juliana. And I do remember you telling me that :)
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 02:13:06 AM »
Rowan! Welcome to the church and M'nohaya Blahaya Lita!

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 02:38:39 AM »
Congratulations, Rowan, and welcome home!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2007, 09:45:12 AM »
Congratulations!  May God grant you many, many years!

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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2007, 01:20:57 PM »
Congratulations and many years!
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2007, 05:55:52 PM »
Many years!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2007, 08:40:46 PM »
Many Years compatriot!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2007, 05:15:26 PM »
Congratulations and many years!
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Re: Baptized and Chrismated this Sunday
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2007, 12:41:14 PM »
Ok, so there was a blizzard Sunday and I was really baptized last night.

Same difference  :)
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