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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2007, 10:48:21 AM »

Hrvati su izbacili iz svog jezika takozvane "srbizme", i tako ako se ispred glagola nade "da" (da idem,da kazem...)to je onda "srbizam".i naravno srbi imaju svoju "ekavicu" (gde, reka...)a hrvati "ije i jekavicu" (gdje,rijeka...:-).Sta nitko na ovom forumu ne zna pricati "po naski"?Ja sam naprimjer hrvatskog porijekla.

To je šteta.  Volim riječi kao "komšija," "kobajagi," "ćuprija"....

Ja sam pol hrvat, pol mađar/nemac.  Moja obitelj bila iz Slavonije, i oni su govorili  malo ekavski: "gde," "vreme" i tako ostali... ali oni su doselili ovdje u Americi pre Drugi Svetski Rat.

Actually it is pretty much the other way around among South Slavic languages, [...]

Yep.
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2007, 11:53:56 PM »

Hello,

Hrvati su izbacili iz svog jezika takozvane "srbizme", i tako ako se ispred glagola nade "da" (da idem,da kazem...)to je onda "srbizam".i naravno srbi imaju svoju "ekavicu" (gde, reka...)a hrvati "ije i jekavicu" (gdje,rijeka...:-).Sta nitko na ovom forumu ne zna pricati "po naski"?Ja sam naprimjer hrvatskog porijekla.

Help! Translation?

Hrvati - that means Croatia or Croatian, right?

I might be able to pronounce this without too much effort, but I'm at a lost for what it means.
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2007, 03:50:39 PM »

Hi Athanasios,


At the beginning of her message, Aleksandra was explaining some of the changes that have occured in the Croatian language that differentiate it from modern literary Serbian. Phrases utilizing "da+present tense" of a verb to indicate an infinitive are avoided as "Serbisms."  Certain words are likewise avoided as Serbisms as well (tisuća/hiljada, hleb/kruh, bližnica/komšija, sretan/srećan.)  Finally, there are spelling and pronunciation differences between literary Serbian and literary Croatian.  The former is based on "ekavian" dialect and the latter "ijekavian."  For example, "river" in Serbian is "reka" but "rijeka" in Croatian (other examples: "milk"- mleka/mlijeka, "time" vreme/vrijeme, "where"- gde/gdje). 

Everyday folk though(unless they are really politically conscious) speak in the manner of the region they were brought up in, regardless of their ethnic background.  For example, Serbs from Krajina (the mountainous region bordering Bosnia-Hercegovina in Croatia) speak primarily "ijekavian," so do the Serbs from Bosnia until one gets closer to Serbia proper.  In Vojvodina (North Serbia), and Slavonija (eastern Croatia), Croatians (like some of my family) would use some "ekavian" words and constructions.

One should aslo mention the other dialects that did not really play a part in the formation of modern Serbian and Croatian.  There is a third dialect found along the coast, "ikavian/čakavian" that is spoken by both Serbs and Croats (words are written with an "i"- "Vrime," "Gdi", "Mlika").  It is also found to a certain extent among Catholic Bunjevac communities in Vojvodina (refugess from the Turks who settled there hundreds of years ago).
Around Zagreb, there is found the "kajkavian" dialect (which I have a hard time understanding- it sounds like Slovenian to me), and in the south of Serbia there is the "Torlakian" which has affinities with neighboring Bulgarian and Macedonian dialects.


That's probably more than you wanted to know, so I apologize for the long-winded digression.
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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »

Hello,

That's just going straight over my head. I can understand what you are saying, but when you throw in the Croatian or Serbian examples, I draw a blank. But that is probably because I really can't speak the language with understanding (but, like I said, I probably could physically pronounce the words).

Maybe I should stick with Italian and Latin. Embarrassed
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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2007, 05:34:17 PM »

Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be.  The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though.  Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended.  I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad. 
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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2007, 09:39:10 PM »

Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be.  The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though.  Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended.  I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad. 


It's easy for you,,i speak serbian street level thats it ...lot's of words go over my head it's not that easy ...i have bosnian and serbian music in some of them i hear words galeb.and.becar..i ment to ask the croatians or serbs what they mean ,,every time i see them i forget to ask ...stashko... stanislav <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZS%2526i%253D36%252F36%255F1%255F33%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank">SmileyCentral.com" border="0<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D36%252F36_1_33/image.gif">[/url]
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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2007, 09:43:24 PM »

Brother Coder ; i asked he never heard or see one divine mercy icona ..if it's not written by a orthodox it's not considered a true icon ...   true icona's are from orthodox monasterys we can be sure of,,,any thing else is questionable....stashko.......<a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZS%2526i%253D28%252F28%255F4%255F9%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank">SmileyCentral.com" border="0<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D28%252F28_4_9/image.gif">[/url]
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2007, 10:28:13 PM »

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Brother Coder ; i asked he never heard or see one divine mercy icona ..if it's not written by a orthodox it's not considered a true icon ...   true icona's are from orthodox monasterys we can be sure of,,,any thing else is questionable....stashko.......
Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:


The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina


A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

But, thanks for the information.

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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2007, 11:27:35 PM »

Hello,
Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:


The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina


A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

But, thanks for the information.

God Bless.

Brother;
He said that there is lot's of prayer and fasting involved and meditation ,,a icon can take a year or more to write plus theologicaly correct,,,there not mass produced ,,these are the authentic ones with the real gold leaf backgrounds,,thats why there real expensive. if one was to purchase  one ...stashko...................<a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZS%2526i%253D36%252F36%255F15%255F63%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank">SmileyCentral.com" border="0<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D36%252F36_15_63/image.gif">[/url]





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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2007, 11:31:53 PM »

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Brother;
He said that there is lot's of prayer and fasting involved and meditation ,,a icon can take a year or more to write plus theologicaly correct,,,there not mass produced ,,these are the authentic ones with the real gold leaf backgrounds,,thats why there real expensive. if one was to purchase  one ...stashko...................

Have you seen this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13436.0.html
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2007, 11:33:36 PM »

Hello,

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.


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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2007, 11:43:20 PM »

Hello,

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.


God Bless.

Brother how do you post links from other forum subjects ,,i don't know how to do it..if  you have time write me some simple instuctions also how to post  web links ,,,,stashko
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It's easy for you,,i speak serbian street level thats it ...lot's of words go over my head it's not that easy ...i have bosnian and serbian music in some of them i hear words galeb.and.becar..i ment to ask the croatians or serbs what they mean ,,every time i see them i forget to ask ...stashko... stanislav <a

Hi Stashko!

I'm by no means fluent.  My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history.  If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.  Tongue Smiley

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull".  "Becar" is harder to define.  Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard." 
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2007, 03:12:08 PM »

Hello,

What are some Christmas words and phrases in Croatian?
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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2007, 03:59:06 PM »

Hi Athanasios,

Merry Christmas is "Sretan Božić"

"Isus se Rodi" is "Jesus is Born"

"Happy New Year" is "Vesela Nova Godina"

Here is a Youtube video that has a number of nicely recorded Croatian Christmas carols as the soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QBTHfKFhs&feature=related
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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2007, 04:08:51 PM »

Hi Stashko!

I'm by no means fluent.  My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history.  If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.  Tongue Smiley

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull".  "Becar" is harder to define.  Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard." 

Фала брате ...ста је лола исто као бечар...Thank you brother what about the word lola same as becar i think one means a bad boy doesn't it stashko

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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2007, 04:16:11 PM »

Hello,

What are some Christmas words and phrases in Croatian?
Brother here's   Some croatian radio links you may like ..i like the bosnian music better though...stashko.......

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 www.hrt.hr/hr
 
 HRT
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.hkr.hr
 
 Hrv. Katolicki Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radiozupanja.hr
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 Hrv. Radio Zupanja
 
 Zupanja
 

 www.narodni.hr
 
 Narodni Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.novi-radio.hr
 
 Novi Radio
 
 Djakovo
 

 www.noviradio.hr
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 Novi Radio
 
 Zadar
 

 www.obiteljski.hr
 
 Obiteljski Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.otvoreni.hr
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 Otvoreni Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.petrinjskiradio.com
 
 Petrinjski Radio
 
 Petrinja
 

 www.plaviradio.hr
 
 Plavi Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.primorski-radio.hr
 
 Primorski Radio
 
 Rijeka
 

 www.radio057.hr
 
 Radio 057
 
 Zadar
 

 www.radio1.hr
 
 Radio 1
 
 Cakovec
 

 www.radio101.hr
 
 Radio 101
 
 Zagreb
 

 http://radio105.hr
 
 Radio 105
 
 Selnica
 

 www.radio-brac.hr
 ---
 Radio Brac
 
 Brac
 

 www.radiobrod.hr
 
 Radio Brod
 
 Slavonski Brod
 

 www.radio-cakovec.hr
 
 Radio Cakovec
 
 Cakovec
 

 www.radiocentar.hr
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 Radio Centar
 
 Porec
 

 www.radio-cibona.hr
 
 Radio Cibona
 
 Zabreb
 

 www.radiodalmacija.hr
 ---
 Radio Dalmacija
 
 Split
 

 www.radiodeejay.hr
 
 Radio DeeJay
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radio-djakovo.hr
 ---
 Radio Djakovo
 
 Djakovo
 

 www.radio-drava.hr
 ---
 Radio Drava
 
 Koprivnica
 

 www.radiodubrovnik.com
 ---
 Radio Dubrovnik
 
 Dubrovnik
 

 www.radio-ilok.hr
 ---
 Radio Ilok
 
 Ilok
 

 www.radioimotski.hr
 
 Radio Imotski
 
 Imotski
 

 www.radio-kaj.hr
 ---
 Radio Kaj
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.hrk.hr
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 Radio Karlovac
 
 Karlovac
 

 www.radio-koprivnica.hr
 
 Radio Koprivnica
 
 Koprivnica
 

 www.radio-korcula.hr
 ---
 Radio Korcula
 
 Korcula
 

 www.radio-laus.hr
 
 Radio Laus
 
 Dubrovnik
 

 www.radio-m.hr
 ---
 Radio M
 
 Vela Luka
 

 www.radio-maestral.hr
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 Radio Maestral
 
 Pula
 

 www.radiomarija.hr
 
 Radio Marija
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radio-martin.hr
 
 Radio Martin
 
 Dugo Selo
 

 www.radio-mreznica.hr
 
 Radio Mreznica
 
 Duga Resa
 

 www.radio-otok-krk.hr
 ---
 Radio OK
 
 Krk
 

 www.eter.hr
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 Radio Osijek
 
 Osijek
 

 www.radio-plus.hr
 ---
 Radio Plus
 
 Osijek
 

 www.radioritam.hr
 
 Radio Ritam
 
 Sibenik
 

 www.radioriva.hr
 
 Radio Riva
 
 Split
 

 www.radio-rovinj.hr
 
 Radio Rovinj
 
 Rovinj
 

 www.radiosamobor.hr
 ---
 Radio Samobor
 
 Samobor
 

 www.radiosibenik.com
 
 Radio Sibenik
 
 Sibenik
 

 www.radioslavonija.hr
 ---
 Radio Slavonia
 
 Slavonski Brod
 

 www.strmica.info
 
 Radio Strmica
 
 Strmica
 

 www.radiostudent.fpzg.hr
 
 Radio Student
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radiotrogir.hr
 ---
 Radio Trogir
 
 Trogir
 

 www.radioval.hr
 ---
 Radio Val
 
 Vela Luka
 

 www.hrv.hr
 
 Radio Vukovar
 
 Vukovar
 

 http://radio.zadar.net
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 Radio Zadar
 
 Zadar
 

 www.radio-zapresic.hr
 
 Radio Zapresic
 
 Zapresic
 

 www.zg-radio.hr
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 Zagrebacki Radio
 
 Zagreb
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2007, 04:17:52 PM »

Брате Сташко,

Нема на чему.  

Мислим да је реч "лола" као "бечар"

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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2007, 04:40:39 PM »

Брате Сташко,

Нема на чему.  

Мислим да је реч "лола" као "бечар"

У Христу,
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2007, 05:23:12 PM »

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Hi Athanasios,

Merry Christmas is "Sretan Božić"

"Isus se Rodi" is "Jesus is Born"

"Happy New Year" is "Vesela Nova Godina"

Here is a Youtube video that has a number of nicely recorded Croatian Christmas carols as the soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QBTHfKFhs&feature=related
Thanks. How about the Angels line: Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men of good will?
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« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2007, 05:23:58 PM »

Hello,

Thanks Brother stashko for the radio links.
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« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2007, 05:30:32 PM »

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Thanks. How about the Angels line: Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men of good will?

  "Slava na višni Bogu, i na zemlji mir među ljudima dobra volja"
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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2007, 05:36:23 PM »

Hello,

Thanks Brother stashko for the radio links.

Brother;
No,,,, thank you for teaching me how to post them.. if you want some bosnian or gypsie radio links i will send them ...stashko
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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2007, 05:45:20 PM »

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  "Slava na višni Bogu, i na zemlji mir među ljudima dobra volja"

Thanks.
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« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2007, 05:46:19 PM »

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Brother;
No,,,, thank you for teaching me how to post them.. if you want some bosnian or gypsie radio links i will send them ...stashko

Gypsies! I thought their entire ethnic group was completely destroyed in the WWII concentration camps.
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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2007, 08:03:39 PM »

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Gypsies! I thought their entire ethnic group was completely destroyed in the WWII concentration camps.

Brother;
No not entirely there still around ,,some migrated or excaped to other countrys during the war ,,some came back after the war,,,there's alot or gypsies here in the u.s.a. serbian ,bosnian ,romainian ,hungarians,,there very good in playing music in ethnic nightclubs from other countrys..there music is good ,,i perfer bosnian music ,some of it has the turkish influence .......stashko
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« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2007, 08:26:22 PM »

Hello,

Interesting. For secular music from Europe, I like the Italian folk music. Wink
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« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2007, 09:12:04 PM »

Hello,

Interesting. For secular music from Europe, I like the Italian folk music. Wink

Brother;
The italian music is good also the opera's ,,every country in the world has beautiful  things to offer the people from food,art ,and other things....heres some bosnian links croatian and gypsie from around the world ...stashko
 www.balkan-muzika.net
 
 Radio Balkan Muzika
 
 Holland
 

 www.radiobalkanac.com
 
 Radio Balkanac
 
 Germany
 
..............www.sanradio.de
 
 San Radio
 
 Germany
 
 www.opanak.ch
 
 Radio Opanak
 
 Switzerland
 
 www.maliyugic.net
 
 Radio Mali Yugic
 
 Sweden
 
 www.radiobosanac.net
 
 Radio Bosanac
 
 Danmark
 

 www.radiobosanka.de
 
 Radio Bosanka
 
 Germany
 

 www.radiobalkan.net
 
 Radio Balkan
 
 Danmark
 

 www.balkan-muzika.net
 
 Radio Balkan Muzika
 
 Holland
 

 www.croatia-network.eu
 
 Croatia Network
 
 Germany
 

 www.cronet24.eu
 
 Cronet 24 Radio
 
 Germany
 

 www.croradio.net
 
 CroRadio Net
 
 Australia
 

 http://bm.pozarevac.net
 
 BM Radio
 
 Switzerland
 

 www.coolbosnia.com
 
 CoolRadiO
 
 Switzerland
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2007, 09:20:28 PM »

Brother coder ..all i did was highlite what i needed press ctrl +c then ctrl +v and it appeares magically in my post then i press send ...brother stashko,,, above post are my favorite radio stations are san radio.,,bosanac radio... cool bosna.....bosanka radio....two others not listed above are zemlotrese[earthquake] and drina radio...enjoy  once you go to there home page all i do is right click on the radio link and save it as is to the desk top and play it from there....stashko
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