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« on: December 09, 2007, 07:30:08 PM »

Hello,

I am looking at building a new computer. The purpose of this thread is that it has been a little while since I have shopped for and priced components, and things change (rapidly in the computer business). So I am looking for product reviews and recommendations. I have a basic idea of the brands I am going to use (i.e., AMD, ASUS, Maxtor, etc.) but the latest features and how well they are implemented is something I would like to know.


So the first question is - I am looking to buy the components online. Years ago, there was a local company that I bought from, but they have since gone out of business and there isn't another local company that sells these components (at least one that I trust). So, as far as the online suppliers - what would you recommend. I have seen the CompGeeks site and have heard that Newegg is good - but I don't have personal experience of these companies. Are they reputable and have good deals?
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 08:11:53 PM »

Mr. Y and I have had good experiences with Newegg.  They have good quality components at reasonable prices.  I'll let Mr. Y give you more details; he's the hardware expert in the family.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007, 08:23:47 PM »

http://www.pricewatch.com/ will give you the street price of any components you are looking into; as it's essentially a directory of sites that ranks them by current prices on a given object I can't vouch for the quality of the individual companies. But, last time I built a computer I used the site and went with the cheapest companies and never had any problems.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 03:38:32 AM »

Seconding the Newegg recommendation. I bought all my parts for my computer from them when I built it. Everything was reasonably priced and arrived quickly.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 02:18:34 PM »

Hello,

Yeah, the impression I've gotten here and elsewhere is that Newegg is the place to go. So, that's where I'll probably end up buy most of the stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 06:19:05 PM »

Hello,

What do you know about the various northbridge chipsets and onboard video. I have heard the AMD 690G and nVidia 7000 series are both excellent. Do you have any experience or advice with these or others?
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 09:27:00 PM »

I personally use the nVidia 8600 GTS. It's the way to go if you're looking to get in on DX10 without spending a fortune. I recommend EVGA; I've had good luck with them. This one's on sale at NewEgg now, $180.

7000 series is great, but it'll only do DX9. So last year.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 09:39:56 PM »

Hello,

I personally use the nVidia 8600 GTS. It's the way to go if you're looking to get in on DX10 without spending a fortune. I recommend EVGA; I've had good luck with them. This one's on sale at NewEgg now, $180.

7000 series is great, but it'll only do DX9. So last year.

EDIT: Whoops, wrong page linked.
Thanks for the information, but I'm not really looking for the latest and greatest for video. I don't do gaming so I don't need DX10 (I don't even run Windows!) and all I want is something fairly decent (most likely onboard) to get the job done (some image manipulation, I doubt I'll even do video editing).
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 09:40:41 PM »

Newegg great...
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 10:24:05 PM »

Hello,
Thanks for the information, but I'm not really looking for the latest and greatest for video. I don't do gaming so I don't need DX10 (I don't even run Windows!) and all I want is something fairly decent (most likely onboard) to get the job done (some image manipulation, I doubt I'll even do video editing).
Ah, well, in that case, and I cannot stress this highly enough, avoid Intel Integrated GMA. ATI Radion X1250 integrated or nVidia GForce 6 integrated are both capable graphics processors, and they won't tie up a PCI slot.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 10:25:35 PM »

Hello,

avoid Intel Integrated GMA.

I was thinking the same thing.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 10:28:14 PM »

Hello,

I am pretty sure that I want to go with an ASUS board with an AM2 socket. I'm still comparing the chipsets, though.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 10:32:35 PM »

I used to use tigerdirect.com

Not sure if they're as good as they used to.  Haven't built a computer in like 6 years.  Back then, you can have them send their catalog.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 11:01:07 PM »

Hello,

I am pretty sure that I want to go with an ASUS board with an AM2 socket. I'm still comparing the chipsets, though.
This one comes with a recommendation by a Linux Ubuntu user, so if you're wanting to avoid MS, it may be an option. Price is good, too, and it has onboard nVidia 7050, a quite decent video processor that should serve your needs.

I can't say for sure how good it is, though, as I don't have personal experience with Linux, and NewEgg only has 8 reviews, which seem to have mixed results.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 11:09:06 PM »

Hello,

This one comes with a recommendation by a Linux Ubuntu user, so if you're wanting to avoid MS, it may be an option. Price is good, too, and it has onboard nVidia 7050, a quite decent video processor that should serve your needs.

I can't say for sure how good it is, though, as I don't have personal experience with Linux, and NewEgg only has 8 reviews, which seem to have mixed results.

Hope that helps.

Seems decent enough, but not what I would buy. It's mATX, which I'm not a big fan of. It also has no Firewire (not a HUGE deal, but an inconvenience) and no parallel (that's a BIG deal for me).
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 11:24:16 PM »

Hello,

Are the nVidia 500 series chipsets still viable and a good buy?
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 11:38:46 PM »

Hello,

I should note that I'll be using this system for audio recording and manipulation.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2007, 09:29:09 AM »

Hello,

Are the nVidia 500 series chipsets still viable and a good buy?
I had one with my Win XP SP2, and it worked very well. When I up-(or down-)graded to Vista, it stopped working.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2007, 11:08:38 AM »

I bought half of my components from www.tigerdirect.com They actually undercut newegg on memory and lcd monitor and video card for my compy. And they ship very fast, I got my components in 2 days with standard shipping!

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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2007, 12:47:04 PM »

Helo,

When I up-(or down-)graded to Vista, it stopped working.


Ha! When you upgrade to Vista - EVERYTHING stops working!  laugh
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2007, 09:41:30 PM »

Hello,

I am probably looking at getting this motherboard:

ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard



Now I am looking at the processors. I am definitely going AMD AM2 socket (if the motherboard selection didn't give it away Cheesy). Right now I am debating between the Windsor and Brisbane cores (probably around the 5200+ range).

Anyone have any experience with these two cores?
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2007, 01:57:11 AM »

Well,

I'm not sure what the update is today, but I do recall that Intel Pentium Processors are much better than AMD Processors.  So I tended to find motherboards with those.  Now, I understand there's a whole dual processor craze right now, so I'm not up to date on that one.  I also heard Zeon is better than Pentium.  But judging by the fact that the internet is very advanced where we use a lot of graphics and video, I would think Pentium is the better processor to use.  At least that's what I remember PC World saying a couple of years ago.

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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2007, 11:51:10 AM »

I agree with minasoliman, I would wait for the release of the Penryn Core 2's.  For now, I would stay away from AMD until we see how their new Fusion processors turn out.  If you don't want something cutting edge though, I have a 5600+ on one of my desktops, and I have no complaints.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2007, 01:28:55 PM »

Hello,

Well,

I'm not sure what the update is today, but I do recall that Intel Pentium Processors are much better than AMD Processors.  So I tended to find motherboards with those.  Now, I understand there's a whole dual processor craze right now, so I'm not up to date on that one.  I also heard Zeon is better than Pentium.  But judging by the fact that the internet is very advanced where we use a lot of graphics and video, I would think Pentium is the better processor to use.  At least that's what I remember PC World saying a couple of years ago.

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I agree with minasoliman, I would wait for the release of the Penryn Core 2's.  For now, I would stay away from AMD until we see how their new Fusion processors turn out.  If you don't want something cutting edge though, I have a 5600+ on one of my desktops, and I have no complaints.

For me - I am an AMD man. I just think that the quality of AMD is better than that of Intel.

It might be nice to get a cutting edge processor - and if you want to buy me one I would gratefully accept. Grin

For my budget, I am looking at the AMD 5000+ - 5600+ range (~>$125).

From what I have been seeing, the Brisbane core is better than the Windsor core. The Brisbane runs on less power, thus is cooler, thus is more stable and longer lasting. It does appear that the Brisbane is slightly slower than the Windsor (~100 MHz), but it is easily made up for in overclocking (if I were so inclined to overclock).

I don't think that the 5000+ comes with a heatsink/fan (pretty dumb if you ask me), but the 5200+ does. The 5000+ is also more expensive (why, I don't know). Is there a 5600+ Brisbane out yet?

Here are the specs for the 5200+ Brisbane:


Model
  Brand    AMD
  Processors Type    Desktop
  Series    Athlon 64 X2
  Model    ADO5200DOBOX

CPU Socket Type
  CPU Socket Type    Socket AM2

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  Core    Brisbane
  Multi-Core    Dual-Core
  Name    Athlon 64 X2 5200+
  Operating Frequency    2.7GHz
  HT    2000MHz
  L1 Cache    128KB+128KB
  L2 Cache    2 x 512KB
  Manufacturing Tech    65 nm
  64 bit Support    Yes
  Hyper-Transport Support    Yes
  Virtualization Technology Support    Yes
  Multimedia Instruction    MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
  Voltage    1.325/1.35/1.375V
  Thermal Power    65W
  Cooling Device    Heatsink and Fan included
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2007, 02:53:24 PM »

Nope, no 5600+ on the 65nm Brisbane.  It only goes up 5200+ while the Windsor hits 6400+.

Yup, 100Mhz is really nothing and you could easily overclock it to get it up there.  With aftermarket fans/heatsinks, you can get a good deal out of the processor.

What is the RAM like that you will be getting?
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2007, 06:14:36 PM »

Hello,

Yup, 100Mhz is really nothing and you could easily overclock it to get it up there.  With aftermarket fans/heatsinks, you can get a good deal out of the processor.

I have read that others can overclock the 5200+ to 3.0 - 3.1 GHz.


What is the RAM like that you will be getting?

I haven't really looked into it that much yet - but probably Kingston. The motherboard is configured for PC5300. I would like to have at least 1GB of RAM - more if I can afford it.

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2007, 06:22:26 PM »

Hello,

I have read that others can overclock the 5200+ to 3.0 - 3.1 GHz.

Yup, you should be able to do that fairly safely.  I have my 5600+ running at 3 Ghz and have had no stability issues or anything.


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I haven't really looked into it that much yet - but probably Kingston. The motherboard is configured for PC5300. I would like to have at least 1GB of RAM - more if I can afford it.

Which MB, the one you mentioned above?  I thought it listed PC2-6400?

Just be sure to watch the timings on the RAM.  Good DDR2 should be 4-4-4-12.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2007, 06:29:46 PM »

Hello,

Yup, you should be able to do that fairly safely.  I have my 5600+ running at 3 Ghz and have had no stability issues or anything.

Just to note - even though I can, I doubt I will overclock the processor to start out.


Which MB, the one you mentioned above?  I thought it listed PC2-6400?

Just be sure to watch the timings on the RAM.  Good DDR2 should be 4-4-4-12.
You're right! It is the higher RAM. I don't know why I thought it was the other?
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2007, 02:11:30 PM »

Hello,

I think that some of you guys have experience in music recording. I'll be recording Sacred Music, either myself or a choir, recording into a mixer/pre-mic and into the computer (probably via a good sound card), that I'll run through a program like Audacity or the like to clean up and put on CD. My question is what sort of computing power is needed to produce a quality CD (maybe not like a major record label, but one I could proudly distribute or sell)? Looking at the price of the components going up and up, I'd hate to have to spend over $2000 when I could get away with something much, much cheaper. So what sort of computing power do I need (even if it would take a little longer to compute)?
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2007, 02:17:56 PM »

Hello,

Looking at the price of the components going up and up, I'd hate to have to spend over $2000 when I could get away with something much, much cheaper. So what sort of computing power do I need (even if it would take a little longer to compute)?

To note, I am starting to look at some of the barebones computers at newegg. I can easily make them work for all I need, but am uncertain if they would work with music recording and manipulation (I would get a quality sound card still, I'm looking at M-Audio).
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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2007, 11:20:39 PM »

Hello,

How about the series 4 nVidia chipsets? Are they still competitive and up to the challenge of audio manipulation? I'm not joking, looking at the mounting costs, I need to bring down the price of this system!
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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2007, 11:49:52 PM »

The nVidia nForce 4 chipset performed a good deal better than the ATI 200 series chipset in benchmarks, so I think it would be a good buy.
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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2007, 01:29:53 PM »

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Thanks Friul. I'm going to have my cousin (well, not by blood - he married my cousin - but we're all family!) price me both with the series 4 (here) and series 5 (here) chipsets.

I'm also having him price several CPU's - all AMD, AM2 socket, Brisbane core processors. I'm looking at the 4800+ through 5600+ processors, plus one I just saw that AMD came out with this past year that uses less power and thus runs cooler - here.
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2007, 01:32:31 PM »

Hello,

The next question in my mind is a video card (the motherboards don't come with on-board video Angry). I definitely want it to be a nVidia chipset - but what manufacturer's do you recommend? Note: I am not going to be doing intensive graphics work or games (the most intensive graphics I'll do is in Gimp and Inkscape - and that isn't much).
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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2007, 02:04:55 PM »

The Sparkle GeForce 8600 GTS is a nice card is 256MB is okay for you.  Sparkle Computers in general puts out some nice cards, so does MSI put they tend to get expensive.
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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2007, 02:31:33 PM »

It's very nice (I have it myself), but it's really only necessary if you want to use DX10. At $250 (when I bought mine last spring), it's a little pricey for light work.

I used a BFG GeForce 5200 prior to my 8600, and it worked wonderfully. No cell shading, but it could run DX9 (the format for the vast majority of recent Windows-based programs). And really, you only need cell shading if you're playing Halo.
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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2007, 02:38:10 PM »

It's very nice (I have it myself), but it's really only necessary if you want to use DX10. At $250 (when I bought mine last spring), it's a little pricey for light work.

I think it is around 160$ or less now.  It is so disheartening when you slurge for something and then, it drops so much fairly quickly.   Tongue  Right after I bought an 8800, it dropped like 70$.
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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2007, 02:48:29 PM »

Hello,

$160!!!!  Shocked

I'm looking sub-$50!
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2007, 03:11:22 PM »

Like I said, the only reason to have an 8000 series right now is for gaming.

Try this card, an EVGA GeForce 6200. It has 256MB of GDDR2 video memory, runs on a PCI slot (which your motherboard should have plenty of), and it's only $50. They also make an AGP slot version (8x faster), but most motherboards these days have PCI Express instead.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2007, 03:22:47 PM »

The KFA2 GeForce 7200 GS Video Card 256MB DDR2 PCI-e should be fine for you.  It usually runs from around 30-40$.

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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2007, 03:24:18 PM »

Hello,

Like I said, the only reason to have an 8000 series right now is for gaming.

Try this card, an EVGA GeForce 6200. It has 256MB of GDDR2 video memory, runs on a PCI slot (which your motherboard should have plenty of), and it's only $50. They also make an AGP slot version (8x faster), but most motherboards these days have PCI Express instead.

Neither of the two motherboards I'm looking at have an AGP slot. I am hopeful to save the PCI-X slot for an audio card, if possible.

What would be the advantages of 256MB of memory? I don't do any gaming at all, and I don't do video editing. I only manipulate images (i.e., Gimp, Inkscape). On my current system, I have a nVidia GeForce 7350 LE - 128MB that works well enough for my needs (sorry can't cannabalize it). If the card is made by someone else, HP didn't tell me when I bought the computer Tongue.
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2007, 03:59:44 PM »

Hello,

$160!!!!  Shocked

I'm looking sub-$50!

WOW, I haven't purchased a video card for under $500 in years. Wink
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2007, 04:56:23 PM »

Neither of the two motherboards I'm looking at have an AGP slot. I am hopeful to save the PCI-X slot for an audio card, if possible.
I expected as much. The 6200 runs on PCI 1x, not PCI-X 16x. One of its big advantages, IMO.

What would be the advantages of 256MB of memory? I don't do any gaming at all, and I don't do video editing. I only manipulate images (i.e., Gimp, Inkscape).
Any RAM used to produce graphics of any kind (be they high framerate in Half-Life 2 or smileys on OCnet Smiley) comes from the card first. If the system needs more RAM than your card can provide, it pulls from general RAM. This is okay most of the time, unless the system runs out of general RAM--then you experience lag, which is mildly irritating usually; if it's bad enough, however, it can crash your system.

So how much video RAM you need depends on how you use the computer. For memory-hogging Vista, I'd say 256MB VRAM is minimum. Linux, however, is much more efficient, and you therefore might get away with 128MB still. If it were possible to cannibalize the old computer, the card you have it probably still good. Since you still need the video card in the old one, though, look for more efficient RAM rather than larger capacity. Video RAM is analogous to general RAM; GDDR2 is more efficient than GDDR, just like DDR2 general RAM is more efficient than DDR.
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2007, 05:13:30 PM »

Hello,

I expected as much. The 6200 runs on PCI 1x, not PCI-X 16x. One of its big advantages, IMO.

Is EVGA a good company?


I'm sorry for all the questions - it's been years since I've built a system (other than order one from a company) and I'm trying to play catch up with all the technology and changes in companies (i.e., I remember when ATI was the major board manufacturer and not just a chipset maker - which as been bought up by AMD?? - so confusing Huh) .
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2007, 05:14:46 PM »

Hello,

So how much video RAM you need depends on how you use the computer. For memory-hogging Vista, I'd say 256MB VRAM is minimum. Linux, however, is much more efficient, and you therefore might get away with 128MB still.

Vista -  Shocked - surely ye jest!

This new system will dual boot Slackware and NetBSD.
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