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« on: September 08, 2014, 10:53:50 PM »

The absolute minimum requirements of items for a Divine Liturgy to proceed are an antimension, a table of some sort, the Eucharistic vessels, and two icons: one of Christ, one of the Mother of God.

I was wondering about the minimum requirements for our divine services, which have a sort of built-in maximalism.

I thought I'd seen the topic discussed here before, but this quote was the closest I could find after a couple of searches.

Assuming that we live in a world where liturgical texts for the day are available online so one does not have to haul around 10-12 books, is anything else needed beyond what is discussed above?
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 11:15:04 PM »

Yes. A priest to celebrate and at least one lay member to respond/receive.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 11:23:28 PM »

Yes. A priest to celebrate and at least one lay member to respond/receive.
What about one priest and a bear?
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 11:27:43 PM »

Yes. A priest to celebrate and at least one lay member to respond/receive.

I do believe some form of a deacon or lower rank is required as well. It is in Coptic Rite
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 11:36:19 PM »

Yes. A priest to celebrate and at least one lay member to respond/receive.

I do believe some form of a deacon or lower rank is required as well. It is in Coptic Rite

Can bears be deacons in the Coptic Rite?

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 11:44:17 PM »

Yes. A priest to celebrate and at least one lay member to respond/receive.

I do believe some form of a deacon or lower rank is required as well. It is in Coptic Rite

Can bears be deacons in the Coptic Rite?

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 11:55:37 PM »

I don't think so. Unless they are able to respond in a recognizable language and have reasoning capabilities, then it is not possible. However, an acolyte is required to serve the Divine Liturgy in any case.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 11:59:39 PM »

I don't think so. Unless they are able to respond in a recognizable language and have reasoning capabilities, then it is not possible. However, an acolyte is required to serve the Divine Liturgy in any case.

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An acolyte is included in my answer of " a deacon or lesser orders"
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 09:43:13 AM »

I don't think so. Unless they are able to respond in a recognizable language and have reasoning capabilities, then it is not possible. However, an acolyte is required to serve the Divine Liturgy in any case.

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An acolyte is included in my answer of " a deacon or lesser orders"

That would include a chanter, too, correct?  Is a chanter considered a lesser order in the Coptic Churches?

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 12:43:41 PM »

But the chanter need not necessarily be tonsured.

Many were the weekday liturgies at my former Greek parish where I would do double duty as a cantor/acolyte. Not having grown up Orthodox and served as an acolyte as a young boy, the latter task was achieved mainly through signs and pointed looks from the priest to me.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 01:25:54 PM »

But the chanter need not necessarily be tonsured.

Many were the weekday liturgies at my former Greek parish where I would do double duty as a cantor/acolyte. Not having grown up Orthodox and served as an acolyte as a young boy, the latter task was achieved mainly through signs and pointed looks from the priest to me.

True, but a great many chanters are tonsured. I was just wondering if the same applies in the Coptic Churches.
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« Reply #11 on: Today at 07:04:34 PM »

Yes. AFAIK, chanters are usually tonsured and wear the tonya, the Coptic equivalent of a sticharion, during services. They are the lowest rank of clergy.
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 07:40:21 PM »

What about one priest and a bear?

I don't think so. Unless they are able to respond in a recognizable language and have reasoning capabilities, then it is not possible.

What if the bear can respond in a recognizable language and has reasoning capabilities?

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