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It's not taking Christ seriously to find a supposed excuse in his words to reject all his followers but one or two. Not only is that actually ignoring most of Christ, but it's actually pernicious in that it ( a ) excuses the most extreme imaginable schism and ( b ) denies souls the medicine of fellowship and sacraments.
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So here's a tip for you, Norman -- just because something is hip on the Emergent streets doesn't mean it will be automatic ka-ching in every Christian discussion. Look yourself at the merits of an idea.
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It's not taking Christ seriously to find a supposed excuse in his words to reject all his followers but one or two. Not only is that actually ignoring most of Christ, but it's actually pernicious in that it ( a ) excuses the most extreme imaginable schism and ( b ) denies souls the medicine of fellowship and sacraments.

Yeah cause many good meaning people trying to do and doing Christ's will who are ignorant of the incredible evangelism of odoxy should be mocked and jeered.
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So here's a tip for you, Norman -- just because something is hip on the Emergent streets doesn't mean it will be automatic ka-ching in every Christian discussion. Look yourself at the merits of an idea.

It's striking how poorly you peg me given that I pretty much have put a lot material out there to work with.

Since more people know me on this board than you are aware of, you just look all the more foolish when attempting to paint me into the corner of characters you know from your excursions into society, your local coop.

Keep trying.

One excellent dig so far. Let's go for number two.
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One or two posters have tried to correct a serious misconception you have, in a forum dedicated to contrasting Orthodoxy and just such misconceptions. Hardly cause for melodrama and personalities.
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Yeah, to peg Norm as 'Emergent' is just painfully ignorant. In some ways he strikes me as barely Christian, and in other ways too Christian.

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Yeah, to peg Norm as 'Emergent' is just painfully ignorant. In some ways he strikes me as barely Christian, and in other ways too Christian.

::) Not that it matters, but that's not what I said.
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One or two posters have tried to correct a serious misconception you have, in a forum dedicated to contrasting Orthodoxy and just such misconceptions. Hardly cause for melodrama and personalities.

That is good cause folks have a real lack of the latter around here. That might be one of the reasons some aren't entirely keen on the evangelism offered by them.

Porter put away the keyboard and consider whether your family and your entire life up till whenever you decided that odoxy met your standards was characterized properly by both the content and tone of the comments here.

And since you are keen to play de facto mod by wringing your hands when you feel the forum you are in has been violated, I'll remind your to look at what forum you are in right now.

Since I've yet to demonstrate any misconceptions in this thread, the tone and content has nothing to do with me but with the infantile zeal of recent and would be converts, which is normal for some who have been leaping from the one true faith to the next many times in life, but I just gotta balance that zeal out.
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Yeah, to peg Norm as 'Emergent' is just painfully ignorant. In some ways he strikes me as barely Christian, and in other ways too Christian.
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Porter put away the keyboard and consider whether your family and your entire life up till whenever you decided that odoxy met your standards was characterized properly by both the content and tone of the comments here.

Now I'll just ask you forthrightly to cut the melodrama. Nobody did anything to our poor Norman like that.

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Since I've yet to demonstrate any misconceptions in this thread ...

"Where two or three are gathered" is, no, not a basis for an apostolic church. I characterized your comment as a "misconception" out of charity.
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Porter put away the keyboard and consider whether your family and your entire life up till whenever you decided that odoxy met your standards was characterized properly by both the content and tone of the comments here.

Now I'll just ask you forthrightly to cut the melodrama. Nobody did anything to our poor Norman like that.

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Since I've yet to demonstrate any misconceptions in this thread ...

"Where two or three are gathered" is, no, not a basis for an apostolic church. I characterized your comment as a "misconception" out of charity.

No matter how you characterized it, it would be a mischaracterization.

I wasn't speaking about myself in that first quote. You really do lack insight into others. Go back and read the post. It is implicit I am talking about those good people who might run into one of your sort. In fact I am speaking of your former self and your family among others. You shouldn't be so triumphal that you managed to bump into a niche, hip form Xianity. You might want to be humble and grateful.

Seriously dude, nothing you are going to say is going to do much more than either amuse me or illicit pity for you. This is low level internetz.

When you up your game and start making my day to day life uncomfortable, then I will have a problem, something which I have managed to deal with before.

Till then, I'll be helping you as a brother in Christ find humility.

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Or, gosh, could it be a forum called OrthodoxChristianity.net's Orthodox-Protestant Discussion might not be about you? Could it be that what Christ meant and the Church teaches is what other posters are discussing, and not Norman's tastes and wants and feelings? Take your time. Don't let it blow your mind.
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orthonorm and Porter, knock off this personal tit for tat right now. I know you two don't like each other, and I'm not telling you to like each other, but I'm not going to let your disdain for each other derail this thread. Polemic is permitted on this section of the forum, but what you two are doing here borders on the ad hominem and is driving this thread off topic.
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I don't dislike Orthonorm, but I understand when you say the personal exchange is inappropriate here.
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All Protestant churches have to rely on some invisible church theology. The church is not primarily found in the located communion of believers but in the elect known only to God. It doesn't matter if they are Baptist or Lutheran, they would both assert they are the church regardless of their history, regardless of their lack of a connection to the ancient church.

This is what I have seen in my limited interaction with protestantism.
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Ehhhh, not all.

You have this:


Admittedly, most Baptists don't believe in this, but a surprisingly large amount believe something vaguely similar.

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All Protestant churches have to rely on some invisible church theology
Ehhhh, not all.

You have this:


Admittedly, most Baptists don't believe in this, but a surprisingly large amount believe something vaguely similar.

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I love how he describes infant communion as a post-schism "Greek" development, and how he seems completely unaware of the existence of the OO.

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Ehhhh, not all.

You have this:


Admittedly, most Baptists don't believe in this, but a surprisingly large amount believe something vaguely similar.

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I love how he describes infant communion as a post-schism "Greek" development, and how he seems completely unaware of the existence of the OO.
Even non-believing atheist historians have bashed this thing. Most folks dont believe this, but I have talked to many Baptists who believe "some kind" of persecution must have taken place, because their beliefs are never discussed before the 1600's.

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All Protestant churches have to rely on some invisible church theology
Ehhhh, not all.

You have this:


Admittedly, most Baptists don't believe in this, but a surprisingly large amount believe something vaguely similar.

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Ah, you missed out on some of the good stuff:
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The fine print there says that "the Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the Irregular Churches [ie. nonbaptists]" in 251 AD.

Does anyone know what that could possibly be referring to?
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The fine print there says that "the Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the Irregular Churches [ie. nonbaptists]" in 251 AD.

Does anyone know what that could possibly be referring to?

I have no idea. I also don't know who the "Paterins" were; a Google search turns up only non-English results.

As far as I know, the only church in the 1st millennium to reject infant baptism* was a faction with the Nestorian church that also accepted Pelagianism (Pelagianism and Nestorianism having been condemned at the same council). This faction argued that since infants are without sin, it makes no sense to baptize them (since baptism is for the remission of sins). Needless to say, this was a very different reason than that given by modern Anabaptists and Baptists.

There were also some people in the mainstream Church who delayed baptism as a tactic (based on the idea that sins committed before baptism did not need to be repented of, and thus it was best to be baptized as late as possible, especially on the deathbed). The Church Fathers were highly critical of this attitude.

*Apart from, of course, dualist and Gnostic sects who rejected baptism completely.
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The fine print there says that "the Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the Irregular Churches [ie. nonbaptists]" in 251 AD.

Does anyone know what that could possibly be referring to?

No idea. Baptists started in 1611 in Holland (English refugees from religious persecution in England).
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