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« on: September 05, 2014, 04:15:00 PM »

My family and I rented this from Redbox last weekend. I have to say it was refreshing to watch a movie that had a good message. A great departure from the CGI laden action fests we have been consuming lately. I wish Redbox would offer more family/Christian friendly movies.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 07:04:48 PM »

Me too.  I keep searching for them here and there, I haven't found many. 

While it was good to see a movie that was edifying, I had some issues with it.  It was too melodromatic and preachy in the sense of honing in on a point over and over and over again.  I thought it was not well written - they took several lazy options to hone the point without taking the easy . . . cliche  way out. 

I'd like to see debates that are not debated in proof with science.  I've always found that that always weakens the argument by making God fit into our understanding of our world instead of reaching into the fact that He kept His WORD to us. . .from the very beginning. 

Though I really liked a lot of the statements made concerning creation.  That was a fascinating look.

The teacher dying at the end. . .gag.  That was not only melodramatic, but it is so often not the truth of what happens in life.  It was unbelievable for me. 

I did find myself cheering for the main character. . .and wincing at the girl that was a Christian in an Islamic family.  And I'm glad I watched it. . . though I'm sorely tempted to rewrite it. . . heh. . .as if I could do better.  Pft. Smiley (Ignore my ego, here. .  . it's always easier to punch the opponent from the outside of the ring! lol)
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2014, 05:17:54 PM »

I have seen this movie, and I loved it. It had such a powerful message about how one person's willingness to stand up for his faith can in turn lead others to God. I would definitely recommend it for all Christians to watch.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 01:52:14 AM »

The Evangelical persecution myth exemplified in movie form.

Un-Christian elements:

God curses non-believers with illness
Anti-intellectualism, fear of God's creation and human rationality
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Making it look like standing up against mild censorship within a larger Christian majority in America is a form of martyrdom

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 02:10:20 AM »


I'd like to see debates that are not debated in proof with science.  I've always found that that always weakens the argument by making God fit into our understanding of our world instead of reaching into the fact that He kept His WORD to us. . .from the very beginning. 




Amen. Well put.


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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 02:44:51 AM »

I have seen this movie, and I loved it. It had such a powerful message about how one person's willingness to stand up for his faith can in turn lead others to God. I would definitely recommend it for all Christians to watch.


I recommend it too for all Christians. But it is sad that some people have a problem with the movie just because it has Evangelical background. Those people need to ask God's forgiveness for they are so full of hate and bigotry that their main problem with the movie is its Evangelical background. And if they hate the movie that much because it has a Protestant Evangelical background, why don't they go and make a movie themselves, instead of bashing those who at least are giving from their time and effort to do something for the good of Christianity. Lord Have Mercy.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 11:31:14 AM »

I recommend it too for all Christians. But it is sad that some people have a problem with the movie just because it has Evangelical background. Those people need to ask God's forgiveness for they are so full of hate and bigotry that their main problem with the movie is its Evangelical background. And if they hate the movie that much because it has a Protestant Evangelical background, why don't they go and make a movie themselves, instead of bashing those who at least are giving from their time and effort to do something for the good of Christianity. Lord Have Mercy.


The Bible never commands, instructs, or even recommends that believers make movies.  Not even once. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 12:28:24 PM »

I recommend it too for all Christians. But it is sad that some people have a problem with the movie just because it has Evangelical background. Those people need to ask God's forgiveness for they are so full of hate and bigotry that their main problem with the movie is its Evangelical background. And if they hate the movie that much because it has a Protestant Evangelical background, why don't they go and make a movie themselves, instead of bashing those who at least are giving from their time and effort to do something for the good of Christianity. Lord Have Mercy.


The Bible never commands, instructs, or even recommends that believers make movies.  Not even once. 
But how are we going to go and make believers among the nations without a high def movie screen?  Huh
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 12:39:45 PM »

Surely you may have reservations or be able to offer some sort of critique on such a film without being accused of being full of hate? How do you jump to such a conclusion?
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 12:55:51 PM »

If anyone on this board has children between the ages of 10 and 15 they will tell you there aren't many options, with regards to family movies. It's either some CGI flick or teens killing teens (Divergent, Hunger Games). Other entertainment is off limits: TV is junk, can't even watch the NFL without ESPN reporting about a player beating his wife.

This movie is a simple story, easy for younger ones to understand. After the movie I spoke with my children, warned them that their faith will be tested. Maybe not by a college professor (but likely), but a friend, girlfriend, employer and enemy. That when tested, they need to have faith and risk everything, just like this boy did.

There are not many movies with Christian value readily available. So what if it was made by a non-Orthodox. The last film made by an Orthodox Christian that I can recall is "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."  
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 01:04:46 PM »

I found it to be quite cheesy, but perhaps it is good for kids.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 01:32:58 PM »

If anyone on this board has children between the ages of 10 and 15 they will tell you there aren't many options, with regards to family movies. It's either some CGI flick or teens killing teens (Divergent, Hunger Games). Other entertainment is off limits: TV is junk, can't even watch the NFL without ESPN reporting about a player beating his wife.

This movie is a simple story, easy for younger ones to understand. After the movie I spoke with my children, warned them that their faith will be tested. Maybe not by a college professor (but likely), but a friend, girlfriend, employer and enemy. That when tested, they need to have faith and risk everything, just like this boy did.

There are not many movies with Christian value readily available. So what if it was made by a non-Orthodox. The last film made by an Orthodox Christian that I can recall is "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." 
And a great movie it was, at least for date night.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 02:24:21 PM »

If anyone on this board has children between the ages of 10 and 15 they will tell you there aren't many options, with regards to family movies. It's either some CGI flick or teens killing teens (Divergent, Hunger Games). Other entertainment is off limits: TV is junk, can't even watch the NFL without ESPN reporting about a player beating his wife.

This movie is a simple story, easy for younger ones to understand. After the movie I spoke with my children, warned them that their faith will be tested. Maybe not by a college professor (but likely), but a friend, girlfriend, employer and enemy. That when tested, they need to have faith and risk everything, just like this boy did.

There are not many movies with Christian value readily available. So what if it was made by a non-Orthodox. The last film made by an Orthodox Christian that I can recall is "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."  

I think you and Raylight are missing something, which is that inaccurate rhetoric can hurt its own cause. When your "younger ones" grow up and find the world quite different from what was taught them, they are going to be at sea, they are going to resent that, in their reaction they may well find another way to believe and live.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 02:32:31 PM »

If anyone on this board has children between the ages of 10 and 15 they will tell you there aren't many options, with regards to family movies. It's either some CGI flick or teens killing teens (Divergent, Hunger Games). Other entertainment is off limits: TV is junk, can't even watch the NFL without ESPN reporting about a player beating his wife.
Kids are not innocent, they are naive. They need to know that, even in the course of  things considered safe and wholesome by popular culture, like football (irony), people act cruelly to each other. As for "CGI flicks..." there are always books, which do not yet typically have CGI inside of them.

This movie is a simple story, easy for younger ones to understand.
But what they are made to understand is not good. Is it worse to show your kids things from 'non-Christian' sources with misleading content, or to show your kids things from supposedly Christian sources with misleading content? The story depicted in the movie is a piece of evangelical fabrication that has been circulating for decades. It perpetuates the false Evangelical stereotype of academia as a bunch of dogmatic, non-believing intellectual snobs who must be resisted by salt-of-the-earth fellows who use common sense:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
http://www.snopes.com/religion/chalk.asp

After the movie I spoke with my children, warned them that their faith will be tested. Maybe not by a college professor (but likely), but a friend, girlfriend, employer and enemy. That when tested, they need to have faith and risk everything, just like this boy did.
But he didn't risk everything. All he did was risk a minor and temporary setback in a privileged, coddled and secure life.


There are not many movies with Christian value readily available. So what if it was made by a non-Orthodox.
The problem isn't that it was made by a non-Orthodox. The problem is that what was made is anti-Christian, altogether.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2014, 02:33:19 PM »

Raylight, let's rewrite a bit and then you may see why certain people may have a problem with the movie:
I have seen this movie, and I loved it. It had such a powerful message about how one person's willingness to stand up for his faith can in turn lead others to God. I would definitely recommend it for all Christians to watch.


I recommend it too for all Christians. But it is sad that some people have a problem with the movie just because it has heretical background. Those people need to ask God's forgiveness for they are so full of hate and bigotry that their main problem with the movie is its heretical background. And if they hate the movie that much because it has a Protestant heretical background, why don't they go and make a movie themselves, instead of bashing those who at least are giving from their time and effort to do something for the good of false Christianity. Lord Have Mercy.

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2014, 02:38:54 PM »

The problem of a good person living in an evil culture is prodigious, altho it's the American fashion to pretend there can be no such problem. Ancient thinkers thought the problem may even be insurmountable (thus, as Greek culture collapsed, the pagan version of the monastery was invented). At any rate, perhaps if we are willing at least to admit the problem, and also that it is not an individual problem, we could feel some relief from our blind anxieties and even begin to glimpse possible solutions.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2014, 05:04:58 PM »

There is some truth to the movie...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/07/christian-group-derecognized-at-states-colleges-because-it-requires-leaders-to-hold-christian-beliefs-and-writer-wonders-whats-next/

Not only this, but valedictorians not allowed to thank Christ, Orange County Public schools (FL) not allowing the Chaplain to pray before the football games (athletes not allowed to wear Bible verses), Cheerleaders can't hold signs with bible verses. All because a bully in called the Freedom From Religion Foundation based out Wisconsin threatens lawsuits.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2014, 05:14:59 PM »

The Blaze is not a reputable source. Setting that aside, it's been a long-standing policy that clubs at schools receiving federal dough have to open their officer positions to all students. It's not really martyrdom if you violate that rule and then get de-listed (which doesn't mean much, because state schools don't give money to religious clubs, anyway.)

(athletes not allowed to wear Bible verses)
The problem there isn't that they can't wear bible verses, but that they're treated like employees if they aren't getting paid.

Cheerleaders can't hold signs with bible verses.
Next they'll no longer allow chaplains to bless casinos, rifles or loan offices.

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2014, 05:17:42 PM »

Surely you may have reservations or be able to offer some sort of critique on such a film without being accused of being full of hate? How do you jump to such a conclusion?

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2014, 05:18:12 PM »

The Evangelical persecution myth exemplified in movie form.

Un-Christian elements:

God curses non-believers with illness
Anti-intellectualism, fear of God's creation and human rationality
Bearing false witness concerning the acceptability of Christianity in American colleges, and acceptable conduct from professors, and the state of Philosophy
Equating mild informal censorship with persecution
Glorifying mammon-worshipers
Terrible arguments for a vague theism
Making it look like standing up against mild censorship within a larger Christian majority in America is a form of martyrdom

And more.

I had my suspicions about this movie and decided not to waste my time watching it, for the reasons you outlined.  Thank you for confirming my suspicions.  I wish more Christians (Orthodox or non-Orthodox) realize how much more harmful and delusional this movie is.  This is not an Orthodox vs. Protestant issue.  This is a reasonable Christian vs. a bunch of lying producers of the movie who call themselves "Christian" issue.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2014, 05:32:07 PM »

Here is an Evangelical Protestant Christian who criticized the movie.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2014, 05:53:02 PM »

Cheerleaders can't hold signs with bible verses. All because a bully in called the Freedom From Religion Foundation based out Wisconsin threatens lawsuits.




So the Orthodox guy is arguing that we should let teenagers shred and trample on Scripture at sporting events?

Nevermind the obvious abuse to the verse in the picture above.
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2014, 09:13:51 PM »

The Blaze is just linking a news article. After 2 decades religious clubs are being removed from campus. My guess the person who pushed the decision was the Muslim that is head of the Student Regents for UC system. The same one that wanted to divest from certain investment vehicles because they had Israeli companies in the portfolio.

I'd rather have athletes and cheerleaders carrying bible verses, wearing bible verses and pointing to Heaven after a good play. What great examples for the student body and siblings that go to the games.

Lastly the level of pretentiousness my Orthodox brothers and sisters show is sad.

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Next they'll no longer allow chaplains to bless casinos, rifles or loan offices.
Easy there, Daytime Emmy. Which ones are doing that again?

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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2014, 09:25:57 PM »

The Blaze is just linking a news article. After 2 decades religious clubs are being removed from campus. My guess the person who pushed the decision was the Muslim that is head of the Student Regents for UC system. The same one that wanted to divest from certain investment vehicles because they had Israeli companies in the portfolio.

I'd rather have athletes and cheerleaders carrying bible verses, wearing bible verses and pointing to Heaven after a good play. What great examples for the student body and siblings that go to the games.

Lastly the level of pretentiousness my Orthodox brothers and sisters show is sad.

"Great example" how? Glorifying God's plan for the salvation of football teams?
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2014, 09:37:21 PM »

The Blaze is just linking a news article. After 2 decades religious clubs are being removed from campus.

The fact that it comes from Blaze means something.  But forget about Blaze for a second.  Your silly sensationalist accusation that religious clubs are being removed has no basis (in no particular order):

Harvard
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2014, 11:05:32 PM »

The Evangelical persecution myth exemplified in movie form.

Un-Christian elements:

God curses non-believers with illness
Anti-intellectualism, fear of God's creation and human rationality
Bearing false witness concerning the acceptability of Christianity in American colleges, and acceptable conduct from professors, and the state of Philosophy
Equating mild informal censorship with persecution
Glorifying mammon-worshipers
Terrible arguments for a vague theism
Making it look like standing up against mild censorship within a larger Christian majority in America is a form of martyrdom

And more.

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2014, 11:18:20 PM »

Some kids in my youth group saw this and wanted to discuss it. I think I'll watch it before passing judgement.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2014, 11:46:23 PM »

Me too.  I keep searching for them here and there, I haven't found many. 

While it was good to see a movie that was edifying, I had some issues with it.  It was too melodromatic and preachy in the sense of honing in on a point over and over and over again.  I thought it was not well written - they took several lazy options to hone the point without taking the easy . . . cliche  way out. 

I'd like to see debates that are not debated in proof with science.  I've always found that that always weakens the argument by making God fit into our understanding of our world instead of reaching into the fact that He kept His WORD to us. . .from the very beginning. 

Though I really liked a lot of the statements made concerning creation.  That was a fascinating look.

The teacher dying at the end. . .gag.  That was not only melodramatic, but it is so often not the truth of what happens in life.  It was unbelievable for me. 

I did find myself cheering for the main character. . .and wincing at the girl that was a Christian in an Islamic family.  And I'm glad I watched it. . . though I'm sorely tempted to rewrite it. . . heh. . .as if I could do better.  Pft. Smiley (Ignore my ego, here. .  . it's always easier to punch the opponent from the outside of the ring! lol)
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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2014, 12:20:37 AM »

Next they'll no longer allow chaplains to bless casinos, rifles or loan offices.
Easy there, Daytime Emmy. Which ones are doing that again?

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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »

The Evangelical persecution myth exemplified in movie form.

Un-Christian elements:

God curses non-believers with illness
Anti-intellectualism, fear of God's creation and human rationality
Bearing false witness concerning the acceptability of Christianity in American colleges, and acceptable conduct from professors, and the state of Philosophy
Equating mild informal censorship with persecution
Glorifying mammon-worshipers
Terrible arguments for a vague theism
Making it look like standing up against mild censorship within a larger Christian majority in America is a form of martyrdom

And more.

This is what sexy posts look like.

You get turned on very easily these days...
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2014, 10:59:08 PM »

You get turned on very easily these days...

So long as it's taboo...
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« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 11:15:39 PM »

I thought I wouldn't like this movie because of some of the reviews I read, but I actually liked it. There were some issues I had with it, but overall I thought it was a good movie.

One thing that made me literally lol from the movie was when the woman who was dating the professor said she was leaving him and he said "you can't do that. I won't accept that." I was like what? Lol who does this guy think he is?

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« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 11:32:22 PM »

One thing that made me literally lol from the movie was when the woman who was dating the professor said she was leaving him and he said "you can't do that. I won't accept that." I was like what? Lol who does this guy think he is?

Worked on Seinfeld *shrugs*  Grin  Cool

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