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Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« on: May 19, 2018, 09:42:34 AM »
Hi guys, I'm new to Orthodoxy and was raised low church evangelical so I really have no bearing on what High Church CoE traditionally looks like. I watched the Royal Wedding (Prince Harry and American actress Meghan Markle) and thought it was beautiful for a secular wedding, but not so sure about the religious aspect of it.

I've heard that at one point traditional Anglicanism and Orthodoxy were very close, so I'm just curious to compare/contrast the things they changed in this service. What would or wouldn't be compatible with an Orthodox wedding service?

Also, does anyone know why they invited the Coptic Orthodox Archbishop to speak?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2018, 10:22:23 AM »
Could be something Coptic or might be the St. Anthony's Desert Fathers Monastery.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 10:25:01 AM »
I didn't watch it, I just wasn't interested in it. Maybe it's because I'm not British.

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 12:14:18 PM »
Why do you call it a secular wedding?  It took place in an Anglican Cathedral.
The Anglican church grew out of the Roman Catholic = Western Christian tradition so it is not similar to an Orthodox service with the crowning.   

Interesting that the bride chose to be baptised and chrismated in the Anglican Church before the wedding although it was not a requirement per se since Prince Harry is a member of the Anglican Church in good standing.

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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2018, 12:52:38 PM »
I don't care for that stuff.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2018, 01:00:28 PM »
Did not watch it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2018, 01:05:52 PM »
Interesting that the bride chose to be baptised and chrismated in the Anglican Church before the wedding although it was not a requirement per se since Prince Harry is a member of the Anglican Church in good standing.

Members of the royal family are definitely required to be members of the Anglican Church, seeing as the reigning monarch is also head of the AC.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2018, 02:40:39 PM »
Well, I was just surprised that she was not already baptised.  is this becoming the new norm in the USA?

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2018, 02:42:27 PM »
Between the completely irreligious and the adult-baptisers, that's hardly news.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2018, 02:47:07 PM »
I saw clips of it on the news. Tried to stay up late enough to see the original airing, but couldn't.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2018, 03:27:47 PM »
Between the completely irreligious and the adult-baptisers, that's hardly news.

Not to mention the increasing frequent heterodox ceremonies which use a name other than "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" --"Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier" for example--or, in the case of some megachurches, simply immerse the candidate with no words at all.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2018, 03:41:44 PM »
Well she does have an "Orthodox" connection through her uncle:

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EXCLUSIVE:
Harry's girlfriend Meghan Markle's uncle is a bishop leading his OWN church - just like Prince's grandmother the Queen who is head of the Church of England (but she's got better buildings)
Meghan Markle's uncle, Frederick Markle, 75, is the leader of the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church in America, DailyMail.com has learned
The clergyman goes by the title Bishop Dismas and runs a single tumbledown chapel in Sanford, Florida, which is described as following Orthodox tradition
He is related to the Suits star via his brother, Thomas Wayne Markle, 72, who is the actress's father.
Close friend Barry Sterner said the reclusive Markle may be the only person who still attends the church, whose roots go back to the 1930s
In contrast Prince Harry's grandmother Queen Elizabeth II is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, with an estimated one million weekly worshipers
Harry's other link to the Orthodox faith is via his grandfather Prince Philip, who was baptized and brought up Orthdox and whose mother became a nun

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History: Established mid-1980s by Fred Markle
Membership: Unclear and could be as low as one - was around 40 in the past but has since dwindled.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2018, 03:45:05 PM »
Well that's depressing. I wonder if he's going to show up on her doorstep trying to get royal endorsement now. Orthodox England, indeed.

Meaghan's father is Episcopalian but her parents divorced when she was young. No telling how she was raised.



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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2018, 06:32:24 PM »
Just a bit. It was broadcasted on Polish national TV  :o

Also, does anyone know why they invited the Coptic Orthodox Archbishop to speak?

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2018, 06:59:42 PM »
Well she does have an "Orthodox" connection through her uncle:

She'll have more substantial Orthodox connections through her in-laws. :)
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2018, 11:59:30 PM »
I did not watch it, but I did listen to it live on the BBC early this morning (because I accidentally left my radio on last night). I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward). I do not have additional comments.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2018, 12:04:36 AM »
I did not watch it, but I did listen to it live on the BBC early this morning (because I accidentally left my radio on last night). I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward). I do not have additional comments.

So I guess they were just trying to be as big tent non-denom as possible with the speakers?
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2018, 04:38:46 AM »
This chick dumps me to marry that dweeb and I’m gonna watch her wedding? Knot!

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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2018, 05:55:02 AM »
This chick dumps me to marry that dweeb

And what a wise decision it was, too!
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2018, 10:01:29 AM »
Why do you call it a secular wedding?  It took place in an Anglican Cathedral.

I understand that, but with the permission of secular music being part of the ceremony, participation of non-ordained people and those ordained outside of the CoE, and other changes being made to accommodate the couple's tastes I wasn't sure.

So basically as long as their clergy approves it all, it's still considered a religious wedding? I'm not trying to sound asinine, just trying to understand. 

Also, does anyone know why they invited the Coptic Orthodox Archbishop to speak?

Yes: https://www.facebook.com/WeLoveMarrickville/videos/650684325323898/?hc_ref=ARTKVF_8XQ2wII67r7pf8NZ5WnAG6OsVvo6hOxoQt1JJclHnbzERgU-YDmv33FQwyH8
The link just says that he's from an Australian town, which as far as I know has no direct connection to the couple.

I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward).

I had mixed feelings about the sermon (he's actually Episcopalian, somewhat surprisingly). And yes I'd love to find out why Bishop Angealos was invited (no complaints, just interested).

Well, I was just surprised that she was not already baptised.  is this becoming the new norm in the USA?

It's relatively normal I think, especially since Meghan grew up some kind of Protestant (attended an RC high school though). Among some modern Protestants they don't push Baptism because of the belief it's only symbolic, and only permit it among adults anyway.

So I guess they were just trying to be as big tent non-denom as possible with the speakers?

Well that's what I thought too, but then why not invite a RC priest (who surely has larger numbers and a cultural UK tie with Ireland) and/or an EO priest (family connection through Prince Philip)?
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2018, 10:24:18 AM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2018, 11:05:37 AM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.

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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2018, 02:33:45 PM »
I did not watch it, but I did listen to it live on the BBC early this morning (because I accidentally left my radio on last night). I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward). I do not have additional comments.
i guess since he's black he must be baptist?-of course.
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Members of the royal family are definitely required to be members of the Anglican Church, seeing as the reigning monarch is also head of the AC.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2018, 03:01:12 PM »
I did not watch it, but I did listen to it live on the BBC early this morning (because I accidentally left my radio on last night). I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward). I do not have additional comments.
i guess since he's black he must be baptist?-of course.
Actually he's the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the USA.

Ah, ok. I didn't watch it.
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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2018, 09:37:49 PM »
I did not watch it, but I did listen to it live on the BBC early this morning (because I accidentally left my radio on last night). I liked the Baptist preacher's sermon about Love and I was surprised that it was Bishop Angaelos who recited the Lord's Prayer (he was only named afterward). I do not have additional comments.
i guess since he's black he must be baptist?-of course.
Actually he's the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the USA.
Most of his extended family is Baptist, with a few Holiness and Pentecostals thrown in for good measure. His father was an Episcopal priest.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2018, 10:42:27 PM »
i guess since he's black he must be baptist?-of course.
Actually he's the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the USA.
Most of his extended family is Baptist, with a few Holiness and Pentecostals thrown in for good measure. His father was an Episcopal priest.

I think the assumption has to do with his preaching style more than anything else. Both black and white southern ministers tend to have a very distinct delivery. And seeing how he has such family members in his background, it makes sense.
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They should have called a Provo priest to "bless" the marriage.
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Heh, the first place my mind went was "Provo, Utah" and Mormons.
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They should have called a Provo priest to "bless" the marriage.

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The species is extinct.
The species stopped adding new individuals to its ranks, but some from the old days are definitely still alive and going. Like most kinds of Roman Catholic priests, TBH.
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The species is extinct.
The species stopped adding new individuals to its ranks, but some from the old days are definitely still alive and going. Like most kinds of Roman Catholic priests, TBH.

None that would admit it today, though, so, for all intents and purposes, extinct.
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2018, 05:33:31 AM »
The Provos did what they were supposed to do and then evolved into a respectable political party.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2018, 05:54:35 AM »
The Provos did what they were supposed to do and then evolved into a respectable political party.
According to themselves, they were supposed to kill Margaret Thatcher and unify Ireland, so technically they didn't do all they were supposed to.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2018, 06:04:25 AM »
The Provos did what they were supposed to do and then evolved into a respectable political party.
According to themselves, they were supposed to kill Margaret Thatcher and unify Ireland, so technically they didn't do all they were supposed to.

Well, no, but the leadership recognized the limitations of the guerilla, abstentionist approach. They were very savvy about their actions; toward the end, a lot more targeting of unoccupied buildings or mortar strikes on empty Heathrow runways, just enough to cause chaos and consternation without killing anyone. Compare with the approach of the Loyalist militias who were just mindless thugs to the end. The Good Friday Agreement gave the Irish republicans a lot of political gains which they now are exploiting in Sinn Fein. No one knows if/ when Ireland will be unified but they have a much better chance of it now.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2018, 04:46:59 PM »
Well, no, but the leadership recognized the limitations of the guerilla, abstentionist approach. They were very savvy about their actions; toward the end, a lot more targeting of unoccupied buildings or mortar strikes on empty Heathrow runways, just enough to cause chaos and consternation without killing anyone. Compare with the approach of the Loyalist militias who were just mindless thugs to the end. The Good Friday Agreement gave the Irish republicans a lot of political gains which they now are exploiting in Sinn Fein. No one knows if/ when Ireland will be unified but they have a much better chance of it now.
I agree with you fully, I was just trying to appear edgy.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2018, 05:16:18 PM »
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2018, 12:33:48 PM »
I watched it for the hats.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 02:00:22 PM »
I watched it for the hats.

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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2018, 03:27:02 PM »
I watched it for the hats.

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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2018, 04:18:36 PM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.

Huh? Is it still a taboo?
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2018, 04:24:15 PM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.

Huh? Is it still a taboo?

Of course. The law was only repealed in 2013, and that only regarding spouses.
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2018, 07:49:15 PM »
All i saw was the greek chief with a 12x12 greek flag on his chest.

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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2018, 08:51:54 AM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.

Huh? Is it still a taboo?

Of course. The law was only repealed in 2013, and that only regarding spouses.

What law? Prohibition to invite Catholics for a friendly visit?
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Re: Did anyone watch the royal wedding?
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2018, 10:07:05 AM »
why not invite a RC priest

British royalty and the RCC don't mix well.

Huh? Is it still a taboo?

Of course. The law was only repealed in 2013, and that only regarding spouses.

What law? Prohibition to invite Catholics for a friendly visit?

Prohibition to have anything to do with Catholicism while royal. Anyone who converted or married a Catholic lost their rights to succession. Since 2013 they can marry Catholics but still not become such or raise their children so. A royal wedding is a public statement, not a cosy gathering among friends.
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