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Offline Peter J

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Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« on: March 03, 2016, 09:55:08 AM »
Hi everybody. Does anyone know of any Orthodox sources that used the phrase "ecclesial communities" (a staple of Catholic documents) before a month ago?

Orthodox-wiki doesn't contain that phrase, and I don't recall e.g. any Orthodox patriarch using it until the recent Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill. So I just wonder if anyone else here knows of a prior occurrence?

Thanks in advance. :)
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Re: Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 10:35:38 AM »
I believe the traditional Orthodox terminology is "bizarro churches".

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Re: Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2016, 11:00:49 AM »
Its origins are in the documents of Vatican II. Even Catholics didn't use the term before then. If the Orthodox are using it's because they've stolen it from Catholicism.
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Re: Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2016, 11:13:25 AM »
Its origins are in the documents of Vatican II. Even Catholics didn't use the term before then. If the Orthodox are using it's because they've stolen it from Catholicism.

Well, I guess "stolen" depends on whether it was taken from us against our will. So it's debatable. :)

Btw, the follow up question, if I state it as a question, is will that one time use of "ecclesial communities" be it, or the start of the phrase being used among EOs?
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Re: Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 04:01:02 AM »
Its origins are in the documents of Vatican II. Even Catholics didn't use the term before then. If the Orthodox are using it's because they've stolen it from Catholicism.

Well, I guess "stolen" depends on whether it was taken from us against our will. So it's debatable. :)
Will that one time use of "ecclesial communities" be it, or the start of the phrase being used among EOs?

I just used it in my post [http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,69426.0.html]here[/url] but I'm not actually Orthodox; I heard the term on a Catholic discussion board and liked the phrasing. I think it conveys the idea that there are people who meet together on Sundays who are sincere about their belief in Christ but remain outside the Church more gently then "heretics". lol.

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Re: Orthodox sources using "ecclesial communities"?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 07:57:21 AM »
Its origins are in the documents of Vatican II. Even Catholics didn't use the term before then. If the Orthodox are using it's because they've stolen it from Catholicism.
You meant the Vatican: I use it only for its ecclesiastical community.
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