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I was wondering where I might be able to find online copies of OO prayer books, ie the prayers of the canonical hours. Those used by the Syrians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Indians and Assyrians. Here's a link to the Coptic prayer book of the hours: www.copticchurch.org/Texts/Spirituals/Agpia.pdf |
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Would also like to know this please.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 07:49:16 PM » |
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It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office. The latter is not available online (to the best of my knowledge) because of its length.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 08:55:40 PM » |
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I'm not aware of anything on line with the canonical hours for the Armenian Church. The only thing in English I am aware of is the Book of Hours listed here, that has Matins, Prime and Vespers (toward the bottom of the page:) http://www.stvartanbookstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=402 |
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 08:58:31 PM » |
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Any Liturgy books you would recommend for Syriac (aramaic?)/ Armenian/ and Coptic liturgies, perhaps with the English written alongside the native language or in English alone?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 09:05:15 PM » |
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The page I linked to above has a good Armenian-English liturgy book (the red one.) Here is the Armenian liturgy on line: http://www.cilicia.com/armo_badarak08.htmlIt actually starts off with part of the Matins service, which normally is recited before the liturgy begins. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 09:18:00 PM » |
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That's interesting. It seems like a mix between the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and St. Gregory.
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It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 03:32:47 AM » |
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Perhaps you might find something here: http://eotcbooks.com/index.htmlSelam |
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As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdf |
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 05:52:48 AM » |
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As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdfYes! The Wudasse Mariyam is a beautiful prayer book for each day of the week. It contains some glorious scriptual typology of Our Lady. Thanks for mentioning this Ekhristos! Selam |
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As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdfAs a quick aside, what is the language difference in the first two columns in the Amharic script? |
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As a quick aside, what is the language difference in the first two columns in the Amharic script?
The language on the left is Ge'ez . Next to it is the Amharic translation followed by the English. There is no script known as Amharic, but it is a language that grew out of Ge'ez. The script is Ge'ez. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2009, 05:13:54 PM » |
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It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office. The latter is not available online (to the best of my knowledge) because of its length.
Are you still an Admin Mor? Can I put the texts on PDF format and transfer it to this site? |
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2009, 05:31:30 PM » |
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I take this back I think you were referring to the Malayalam Texts translated to Malankara Prayer books in English is about the same texts.
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Syriac prayerbooks in english?
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Syriac prayerbooks in english?
The following link has the Syriac Prayer book in English. In the Syriac Church there are 7 prayers for each day. The day starts with sun down. The following link has all the 7 prayers : Evening, Bedtime, Midnight, Morning, Third Hour, Sixth Hour and Ninth Hour. http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/SimplePrayer/index.htmlThe translation of the Divine Liturgy (Holy Qurbana) is at: http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/Anaphora/index.htmlMathew G M |
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2010, 06:37:32 PM » |
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Btw, has anyone ever seen a Coptic Agpeya in Coptic? I've only seen English and Arabic.
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Hello, a friend who does not have an account here asked me to post a request here:
He is looking to find Liturgical texts (in decent English) that are public domain in order to compile together as a reference to be able to learn the differences in practice and texts in order to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for our Communion in its various traditions.
For Coptic, we can easily find the Liturgy book, Psalmody, and all the rites like Baptism, marriage, lakkanne, etc. electronically and without copyright. If anyone can point us to texts for the other traditions it would be appreciated.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2012, 09:47:25 AM » |
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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2012, 12:15:18 PM » |
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Thanks! That's great!
What about other services besides the Liturgy?
Is there an equivalent to the book of the hours? The Psalmody? the raising of incense?
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thanks for this thread! sheenj, what does 'barekhmor' mean? does it mean 'bless'? (just guessing from arabic) and how do u say 'kirie eleison' in malyalam and syriac? i found a work colleague who is indian syriac orthodox (not sure which branch) but i may get a chance to visit his church soon. how can you tell which anaphora they are going to do? does it depend on the season or do i have to ask the priest in advance? (so i can print out the right one) he said he didn't think they had a translation of the liturgy available.  i told him he should sort that out!  |
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thanks for this thread!
sheenj, what does 'barekhmor' mean?
does it mean 'bless'? (just guessing from arabic)
Yup, Barekh mor means literally "Bless, Lord". and how do u say 'kirie eleison' in malyalam and syriac?
Wee keep "Kyrie Elaison" but we say it really weird, like "Kuriay laah-yison" how can you tell which anaphora they are going to do? does it depend on the season or do i have to ask the priest in advance?
(so i can print out the right one)
It's usually up to the priest, the only rule is that for feasts, he must use St. James. However, the responses by the laity to the various anaphoras (anaphorae?) are the same for each anaphora. So unless you want to follow along with the priest, you can print any anaphora. he said he didn't think they had a translation of the liturgy available. i told him he should sort that out! Huh? Almost every Malankara church I've been to outside of India, either Antiochene or Indian, has had an english translation available for the 2nd and 3rd generation types who don't know Malayalam. I'm not sure what your friend is talking about. |
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