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« on: November 22, 2007, 10:18:12 PM »
I was wondering where I might be able to find online copies of OO prayer books, ie the prayers of the canonical hours. Those used by the Syrians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Indians and Assyrians. Here's a link to the Coptic prayer book of the hours:

www.copticchurch.org/Texts/Spirituals/Agpia.pdf

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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 04:49:52 AM »
Would also like to know this please.
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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 07:49:16 PM »
It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office.  The latter is not available online (to the best of my knowledge) because of its length. 
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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 08:55:40 PM »
I'm not aware of anything on line with the canonical hours for the Armenian Church.  The only thing in English I am aware of is the Book of Hours listed here, that has Matins, Prime and Vespers (toward the bottom of the page:)

http://www.stvartanbookstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=402
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 08:58:31 PM »
Any Liturgy books you would recommend for Syriac (aramaic?)/ Armenian/ and Coptic liturgies, perhaps with the English written alongside the native language or in English alone?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 09:05:15 PM »
The page I linked to above has a good Armenian-English liturgy book (the red one.) 

Here is the Armenian liturgy on line:

http://www.cilicia.com/armo_badarak08.html

It actually starts off with part of the Matins service, which normally is recited before the liturgy begins.

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 09:18:00 PM »
That's interesting. It seems like a mix between the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and St. Gregory.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 11:45:05 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 01:37:52 PM »
Assyrians.

Assyrians?

This community is NOT Oriental Orthodox.

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2009, 07:04:06 PM »

It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office.

Oh. That makes sense. They did seem a little short.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2009, 07:08:05 PM »
Assyrians.

Assyrians?

This community is NOT Oriental Orthodox.

Well, if we're speaking of the Assyrian Church of the East, that is the case. For whatever reason, however, it appears that this is generally the area that the ACE is discussed.

On the other hand, some people use the word "Assyrian" to refer to the ethnic group, in which context those of the Syriac Orthodox Church generally are Assyrians.
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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 03:32:47 AM »
Perhaps you might find something here:

http://eotcbooks.com/index.html

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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 05:34:50 AM »
As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdf
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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 05:52:48 AM »
As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdf


Yes! The Wudasse Mariyam is a beautiful prayer book for each day of the week. It contains some glorious scriptual typology of Our Lady. Thanks for mentioning this Ekhristos!

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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2009, 06:41:12 PM »
The British Orthodox Church produces their own prayer book:

http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/glory-to-god---british-orthodox-prayers/1323714

but I doubt it's all that different from the Agpeya.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 11:14:22 AM »
All nine hours of the daily offices of the Armenian Church, in their much earlier and shorter variants, according to ancient manuscripts, can be found here, from p. 443 (translated by Conybeare)-

http://books.google.com/books?id=TW1hvJAOUiEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Rituale+Armenorum#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Unfortunately, there is no option for downloading :(.

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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 11:37:55 AM »
As far as standard prayers said on a regular basis, the Ethiopian Orthodox highly regard the Marian hymns of St Ephrem the Syrian and have a tradition of assigning various of these hymns to various days of the week. They are somewhat analogous to the Coptic weekday Vigil Theotokias. They are called Wudasse Maryam (trans., 'prayers of praise to Mary') and can be downloaded in English translation at the following link: http://tewahedo.org/WedaseMariam.pdf


As a quick aside, what is the language difference in the first two columns in the Amharic script?
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 08:27:03 PM »
As a quick aside, what is the language difference in the first two columns in the Amharic script?

The language on the left is Ge'ez . Next to it is the Amharic translation followed by the English. There is no script known as Amharic, but it is a language that grew out of Ge'ez. The script is Ge'ez.

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Re: OO Prayer Books
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2009, 05:13:54 PM »
It should be noted that the above "Syriac Hours" is one abbreviated version of the daily prayers for use by laypeople who haven't the time for the full office.  The latter is not available online (to the best of my knowledge) because of its length. 

Are you still an Admin Mor? Can I put the texts on PDF format and transfer it to this site?

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2009, 05:31:30 PM »
I take this back I think you were referring to the Malayalam Texts translated to Malankara Prayer books in English is about the same texts.
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 01:37:09 PM »
Syriac prayerbooks in english?
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 08:07:35 AM »
I'm not aware of anything on line with the canonical hours for the Armenian Church.  The only thing in English I am aware of is the Book of Hours listed here, that has Matins, Prime and Vespers (toward the bottom of the page:)

http://www.stvartanbookstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=402

I think I may have found the Armenian Hours but it's in Armenian:

http://www.arak29.am/breviary/index.php

and:

http://araratian-tem.am/media/JAMAGIRK.PDF

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2010, 06:31:10 PM »
Syriac prayerbooks in english?
The following link has the Syriac Prayer book in English. In the Syriac Church there are 7 prayers for each day. The day starts with sun down. The following link has all the 7 prayers :  Evening, Bedtime, Midnight, Morning, Third Hour, Sixth Hour and Ninth Hour.

http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/SimplePrayer/index.html

The translation of the Divine Liturgy (Holy Qurbana) is at:
http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/Anaphora/index.html

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2010, 06:37:32 PM »
Btw, has anyone ever seen a Coptic Agpeya in Coptic? I've only seen English and Arabic.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2012, 07:49:25 AM »
Hello, a friend who does not have an account here asked me to post a request here:

He is looking to find Liturgical texts (in decent English) that are public domain in order to compile together as a reference to be able to learn the differences in practice and texts in order to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for our Communion in its various traditions.

For Coptic, we can easily find the Liturgy book, Psalmody, and all the rites like Baptism, marriage, lakkanne, etc. electronically and without copyright. If anyone can point us to texts for the other traditions it would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: OO Liturgical texts in English
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2012, 09:47:25 AM »
For the West Syriac Rite, both Syriac Orthodox and Malankara Orthodox, this site has almost everything.
http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/Anaphora/index.html

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Re: OO Liturgical texts in English
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2012, 12:15:18 PM »
Thanks! That's great!

What about other services besides the Liturgy?

Is there an equivalent to the book of the hours? The Psalmody? the raising of incense?

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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2012, 01:32:27 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2012, 01:41:02 PM »
In looking around, it appears that this topic has been covered before, complete with links, so perhaps reviewing the existing thread on OO prayer books would help. I thought this thread was meant to be limited to liturgical texts.

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Re: OO Liturgical texts in English
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2012, 04:56:34 PM »
thanks for this thread!
sheenj, what does 'barekhmor' mean?
does it mean 'bless'? (just guessing from arabic)
and how do u say 'kirie eleison' in malyalam and syriac?
i found a work colleague who is indian syriac orthodox (not sure which branch) but i may get a chance to visit his church soon.

how can you tell which anaphora they are going to do? does it depend on the season or do i have to ask the priest in advance?
(so i can print out the right one)

he said he didn't think they had a translation of the liturgy available.
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i told him he should sort that out!
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2012, 05:18:34 PM »
thanks for this thread!
sheenj, what does 'barekhmor' mean?
does it mean 'bless'? (just guessing from arabic)
Yup, Barekh mor means literally "Bless, Lord".
and how do u say 'kirie eleison' in malyalam and syriac?
Wee keep "Kyrie Elaison" but we say it really weird, like "Kuriay laah-yison"
how can you tell which anaphora they are going to do? does it depend on the season or do i have to ask the priest in advance?
(so i can print out the right one)

It's usually up to the priest, the only rule is that for feasts, he must use St. James. However, the responses by the laity to the various anaphoras (anaphorae?) are the same for each anaphora. So unless you want to follow along with the priest, you can print any anaphora.
he said he didn't think they had a translation of the liturgy available.
 :o

i told him he should sort that out!
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Huh? Almost every Malankara church I've been to outside of India, either Antiochene or Indian, has had an english translation available for the 2nd and 3rd generation types who don't know Malayalam. I'm not sure what your friend is talking about.

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2012, 02:08:26 AM »
kirie eleison in syriac would be "moran etraham".
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This should be a sticky
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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2012, 05:26:44 PM »
In looking around, it appears that this topic has been covered before, complete with links, so perhaps reviewing the existing thread on OO prayer books would help. I thought this thread was meant to be limited to liturgical texts.
Perhaps the 2 threads should be merged and then made into a sticky
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2012, 05:35:04 PM »
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Do you know someplace where we can find the full sh'himo with hymns? The link you just posted only has the abridged prayers for each hour.

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2012, 08:07:40 PM »
By popular demand, I've merged the two topics and made the new thread a sticky.

Good idea.   :)

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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2012, 11:46:35 PM »
By popular demand, I've merged the two topics and made the new thread a sticky.

Good idea.   :)
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2012, 02:40:30 AM »
Syriac Orthodox - The Spiritual Treasure of Canonical Prayer
Do you know someplace where we can find the full sh'himo with hymns? The link you just posted only has the abridged prayers for each hour.
In can find it in Syriac only: http://www.soc-wus.org/worship/prayer.htm
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