I have reviewed my original post, and there are a few points I want to make:
I made it very clear several times that I was not referring to EVERY single Protestant on earth:
all protestants I've shared with…”
protestants I know…”
of these circumstantial factors are the fault of protestants as individuals
(notice I try to avoid making any of my statements seem like a personal attack)
“…I can also sympathize with protestants who are just too scared to take such a giant leap of faith…”
(notice I never said ALL
protestants… and that I try to understand
where they are at)
“…Let us pray that the Lord will strengthen their hearts, and give them the courage needed…”
(I don’t see how this post could have ended on a more non-attacking note)
I never intended for my post to specifically apply to all Protestants. I never intended for it to be an “attack” on people. If you are a Protestant (any kind) and you don’t feel that my original post describes you, then that is JUST FINE. It wasn’t meant for you… so quick taking it personally. If my post would have begun by saying:
“Every single Protestant is like this:”… then I could understand people reacting the way they have. But the fact is, my post didn’t
start this way… it began with:
protestants I know…”
Another thing: the TYPE of Protestants (not ALL Protestants) that are described in my original post are very very common. I have personally heard this exact kind of story from the lips of more protestants than I can count… not to mention all the conversion stories I’ve read. I didn’t just pull all of this out of thin air.
Are you the one to tell Protestants the truth? If the fullness of truth can be found only in the Orthodox Faith, which I do believe with all my heart, then it NEEDS neither you nor me to defend it.
This is a whole different topic, but if what you just said is true, then why does Orthodoxy need missionaries? Should we expect everyone to just stumble in the door?
you could certainly have found a much more diplomatic way to express your message.
While I never intended to come across as un-diplomatic, I will agree that I could have EMPHASIZED more that I WASN’T trying to describe EVERY SINGLE PROTESTANT on earth.
The tactic of attributing your opponent's anger to "doubt and confusion" is self-serving and at its heart dishonest...
As it is, you earned my anger for treating me as a prop to your self-exaltation rather than as a human being.
When I first wrote my post, I never considered any potential viewers as my “opponents.” Actually, I was hoping that there would be some Protestants who could relate… seeing as how I’ve heard this same kind of story from many many Protestants (it is not my own trade-marked story). It was never my intention to treat someone as a prop… and the last thing on my mind was self-exaltation. All I wanted to do was share how joyful I was to have found Orthodoxy, and perhaps help others to realize that they are not alone in their turmoil (which so many Protestants I know are going through… as my post described).
Please allow me to be very plain and repeat that I am not "scared" nor fearful about any aspect of EO.
Not believing, not agreeing with claim is not the same as "scared".
I will agree that you believe you are not scared of the possibility of Orthodoxy’s uniqueness in being the sole possessor of the fullness of Grace.
"scared", "fearful", "callous" "pretend", 'lying', suppressed, full of "doubt" and "confusion" and in "denial"? Those are some of your words and you made sweeping statements about multitudes of other people whom you have no way of knowing.
Again, I never stated that ALL Protestants are in this situation. Also, these words are verbatim from the mouths of countless Protestant converts to Orthodoxy… people whom you obviously likewise “have no way of knowing.”
Your analysis does not apply to me for example
I never stated it would apply to every single person who read it.
Well, you do not have the power or authority to [forbid someone to love Christ just because they aren’t part of the One True Church].
I wouldn’t even if I could.
Could it be that your methods are not suited to dealing with all people…
And again, I never claimed my post dealt with ALL people
(goodness, that statement is getting old)
some of my ancestors were not any part of Christendom because they were on the North American Continent as the forerunners of the Cherokee.
Sounds like my ancestry… maybe we’re related.
It is your declarations of other Human Beings' psychology and spiritual condition that I don't think you really know that I am disagreeing with.
I suppose I must say it again: my post doesn’t say ALL Protestants are in that situation. My post was inspired not just by my own journey, but that of many others who have shared their experiences with me.
Was converting other people the reason for your original post, please?
No, I was hoping to help any Protestants who happened to be going through a similar experience as both I and many others have had in their journey from Protestantism to Orthodoxy.
Is putting people you do not know down and patronzing them for being "scared" the best way to convince them that your view is better, one wonders.
I wasn’t putting people I don’t know down, I was sharing the experiences of those I DO know… hoping that IF anyone found themselves in that particular state, then they could perhaps find hope in the fact that they are not alone.
Did you ask the lady *what* were the 'current beliefs' that she was having problems with perhaps? Did you look on her as a person with spiritual concerns or as one to 'catch' to add to 'your team'? Do you see her as she is or as your view of what a "protestant" is as you wrote in your first post?
No, I wasn’t dreaming about the new mark I could put on my wall of Protestant converts. I was a little busy hearing her say how much she is interested in Orthodoxy, how the more she learns the more she wants to know… how she is seeing more and more that Orthodoxy is the True Church.
You have been through a lot of groups and Churches… Perhaps you might not understand the mind/spirit of a person who has stayed with one Church for a long time such as decades, who has been spiritually fed and worshipped there.
So if someone has only been in one denomination of Protestantism before coming to Orthodoxy, then it can be said they are too narrow-minded because they’ve only experienced one denomination. But then if they’ve been in several, it can be said they are too ungrounded because they were never anywhere for a long time. I guess you lose either way.
Also, you may not have much basis for empathy with a person from a liturgical Church.
And for one last time I will say: that is why my post didn’t start with:
“The following applies to ALL Protestants.”
To anyone whose feelings were hurt by any of my posts here, please forgive me a wretched sinner. That was not my intent. I hope I have adequately explained where exactly I was coming from and what the intention of my original post was. Due to the current circumstances, I feel it is best that I cease posting on this thread.
Thank you all for your responses. In the long run I’m sure all the insight gained here will be of benefit to everyone involved. Live and learn.
God bless all