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RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« on: January 18, 2016, 01:56:56 AM »
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Bishop Arsany (or Arsenios), the Coptic Orthodox Bishop for the Netherlands, attended today a Sung Mass  (1962 Missal) celebrated at the Sint-Agneskerk in Amsterdam, where a personal parish dedicated to the Traditional Latin Mass is under the care of the FSSP. He might not be the first Orthodox prelate to attend a TLM in recent years, but as far as I know he is the first one to do so while seated on a throne inside the sanctuary.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/01/coptic-orthodox-bishop-attends-solemn.html

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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 02:24:21 AM »
I'm a little perplexed. A traditional Catholic group seating a non-Catholic bishop inside the sanctuary, presumably where their own bishop would be sitting if he were present?
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 02:45:54 AM »
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 09:01:29 AM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 02:47:17 PM »
I'm a little perplexed. A traditional Catholic group seating a non-Catholic bishop inside the sanctuary, presumably where their own bishop would be sitting if he were present?

The FSSP are the most "mainstream" of the priestly fraternities that offer the Latin Mass. This would likely have not happened within the SSPX.
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 03:09:24 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 03:22:17 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?

Apparently in the EO Church they are:

http://oca.org/saints/lives/2016/12/25/103640-the-three-magi-melchior-gaspar-and-balthasar

I can't find anything in the Coptic Synexarium of any hint of veneration of the magi.  I haven't checked the Ethiopian Synexarium yet.
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 03:29:05 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
Apparently they were cannonized through acclamation, not infalible process.

Kind of slipping in through the back door to sainthood I suppose.

I don't know, weren't they Zoroastrians?
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 03:42:25 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
Apparently they were cannonized through acclamation, not infalible process.

Kind of slipping in through the back door to sainthood I suppose.

I don't know, weren't they Zoroastrians?

Considering their relics are in the Catholic Cathedral in Cologne, your ignorance astounds me.

Most, if not all of the Saints who lived before the 11th century were canonized locally. Whatever the Magi were before Christ came is irrelevant. They adored him as God, and the tradition tells us that they were still living after Pentecost and were baptized by one of the apostles (St. Thomas?)
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 03:47:02 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
Apparently they were cannonized through acclamation, not infalible process.

Kind of slipping in through the back door to sainthood I suppose.

I don't know, weren't they Zoroastrians?

Considering their relics are in the Catholic Cathedral in Cologne, your ignorance astounds me.

Most, if not all of the Saints who lived before the 11th century were canonized locally. Whatever the Magi were before Christ came is irrelevant. They adored him as God, and the tradition tells us that they were still living after Pentecost and were baptized by one of the apostles (St. Thomas?)

I've never heard St Thomas connected with them, but one of them was Indian, so I suppose it's possible. 
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2016, 03:50:45 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
Apparently they were cannonized through acclamation, not infalible process.

Kind of slipping in through the back door to sainthood I suppose.

I don't know, weren't they Zoroastrians?

Considering their relics are in the Catholic Cathedral in Cologne, your ignorance astounds me.

Most, if not all of the Saints who lived before the 11th century were canonized locally. Whatever the Magi were before Christ came is irrelevant. They adored him as God, and the tradition tells us that they were still living after Pentecost and were baptized by one of the apostles (St. Thomas?)

I've never heard St Thomas connected with them, but one of them was Indian, so I suppose it's possible.

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Magi
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Re: RC - Coptic Orthodox Bishop attends Traditional Latin Mass
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 04:09:58 PM »
I felt awkward reading some similar the other day:

https://mospat.ru/en/2015/12/07/news125894/

Relics of the Magi?  Are the Magi canonized as saints?
Apparently they were cannonized through acclamation, not infalible process.

Kind of slipping in through the back door to sainthood I suppose.

I don't know, weren't they Zoroastrians?

Considering their relics are in the Catholic Cathedral in Cologne, your ignorance astounds me.


Most, if not all of the Saints who lived before the 11th century were canonized locally. Whatever the Magi were before Christ came is irrelevant. They adored him as God, and the tradition tells us that they were still living after Pentecost and were baptized by one of the apostles (St. Thomas?)
Sorry, I've never been to Cologne. And the story of the Magi was always strange to me.

These were magicians practicing a strange religion from the East, interpteting dreams and steeped in astrology. I never got the connection about how they became saints although we always celebrated their feast day on the Epiphany.

I have no problem with their conversion, only stated that they were Zoroasters at one time. Frankly, I don't know too much on what tradition says about them.
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