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« on: November 13, 2007, 05:15:42 PM »

I saw a black and white photo of an icon that really grabbed me in a book I recently recieved. The book is "The orthodox veneration of Mary." And the icon is of the Theotokos "Joy of All Joys." I wanted to see if I could buy a prayer card or icon with this on it. Anyone know where to find one? Or does anyone have a favorite that they want to suggest.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2007, 04:14:05 PM »

http://bp1.blogger.com/_WzAJjeVm9xQ/RrwTGAM7SoI/AAAAAAAAAG4/Ojx2sAXT24U/s1600-h/Umileniye1b.jpg

Was that the icon you saw? I've done some poking around, and if that is the correct one, I'll see where it can be ordered from.

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 10:14:05 PM »

I think that is another version of the one in my book. The one in my book has a sort of "cuff" on her clothing and the stars are different. Here is a scan of it.



The book is "The orthodox veneration of Mary the brithgiver of God."
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 12:13:15 AM »

Is that the famous book by Saint John of Shanghai & San Francisco? 
http://www.stmaryofegypt.org/library/st_john_maximovich/on_veneration_of_the_theotokos.htm

The icon you prefer is not my cup of tea; too westernized and emotional for me.  Too 19th century Imperial Russian Court style for me.

However, I do like the more tradtional version in colour.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 12:32:09 AM »

Interesting, just started my study of St. Seraphim...

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 12:37:19 AM »

Yes they are one in the same.


I wonder which was written first?
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 01:04:04 AM »

Does anyone happen to know what it says above her head?

http://www.stmaryofegypt.org/library/st_john_maximovich/on_veneration_of_the_theotokos.htm

the words are more discernable in the link above, than in my poorly scanned version.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2007, 08:36:51 AM »

I think there may be an error in the book.

I thought the Icon pictured above which St. Seraphim had was called "Joy of All Joys".

"Joy of All Who Sorrow" is a different Icon altogether:

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2007, 09:27:44 AM »

It says "Radujse nevjesto nenevjestnaja" in the "serbian" transliteration of the original Church Slavonic. 

The english translation would be "Rejoice* O Bride Unwed"

*  This word rejoice has many translations in english.  Some translate it as "hail" or other such words.  I think rejoice is the best translation. 

Literally the words mean "Rejoice Virgin, the never un-virgined"  but the popular translation is the above one. 

The phrase was popularized by St. Nektarios' hymn to the theotokos "O Virgin Pure" or "Agni Parthene" 

I hope this was helpful. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2007, 01:37:01 PM »

The icon you prefer is not my cup of tea; too westernized and emotional for me.  Too 19th century Imperial Russian Court style for me.

Thanks for posting the link to the book!  I was recently wanting to read something like this on Maryam.  I like both styles of the icon, though I tend to lean towards the Westernized writings a little more.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 12:49:13 AM »

I must admit I have never seen this icon before.  I just found another copy with the Tropar in Church Slavonic on the web site of the Polish Orthodox Church:

http://www.prawoslawie.k.pl/icone/bigbg/11.htm

I still prefer the more tradtional icons.  The one thing that strikes me about this icon is that the eyes of the Mother of God are closed, which I do not like.  We are supposed to have eye contact with the saints portrayed in the icons which is why the fugures are face-to-face and not in profile.

I see the icon is named Umileniye  Theotokos "Joy of All Joys"
Umileniye is written right on the icon.  It means Loving kKndness in Church Slavonic or compassion (Greek Eleousa)
Traditionaly, Umileniye icons and of the Theotokos showing tenderness to the Christ child.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 12:51:30 AM »

Here is a copy of the tradtional Umileniye Theotokos:

http://www.prawoslawie.k.pl/icone/bigbg/25.htm
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 03:07:52 PM »

The one thing that strikes me about this icon is that the eyes of the Mother of God are closed, which I do not like.  We are supposed to have eye contact with the saints portrayed in the icons which is why the fugures are face-to-face and not in profile.

We all have our own stylistic and cultural preferences.   Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 05:15:33 PM »

This icon is conected with St.Serafim Sorovskiy and Diveevskiy women's monastery not far away from Nizhniy Novgorod in Russia. www.diveevo.ru Unfortunally, this site is in russian only, but you can find there a lot of picturies:)
And if you really want to have this icon,I can send it to you:)
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