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« on: November 12, 2007, 09:35:51 PM »

Hello,

Is there a good resource online for me to learn Croatian?
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 10:01:21 PM »

I don't know about online, but there are some very good textbooks out there if you are interested in going that route.

If you are learning on your own and more for your own personal enjoyment, Colloquial Croatian published by Routledge is probably your best route.  It uses the new words and the new orthography and is "pure" Croatian. Roll Eyes  But that is a whole debate right there.

More costly, but if you are interested in learning the other standards of the language as well (i.e Serbian and Bosnian) this book is great:
http://www.wisc.edu/wisconsinpress/books/4047.htm
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 10:56:39 PM »

Hello,

Thanks, I'll give them a look. I am mostly trying to learn for personal edification and connecting to some of my roots. I don't know yet if I am wanting to become fluent or just learn some tidbits. And since I am exceedingly busy trying to complete my degree, this venture will probably be postponed for a couple of years - but I can be collecting resources now.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 09:22:17 PM »

Hello,

Thanks, I'll give them a look. I am mostly trying to learn for personal edification and connecting to some of my roots. I don't know yet if I am wanting to become fluent or just learn some tidbits. And since I am exceedingly busy trying to complete my degree, this venture will probably be postponed for a couple of years - but I can be collecting resources now.

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Brother Coder ...the first thing i learned of another language was all the bad words first...for some reason the bad words come easy....the good words seem harder to learn ....stashko Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 09:50:26 PM »

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Brother Coder ...the first thing i learned of another language was all the bad words first...for some reason the bad words come easy....the good words seem harder to learn ....stashko Cheesy
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Yeah, and if you go to someone other than an accredited school or a good book it seems that they immediately want to teach you all the bad words.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2007, 04:24:15 AM »

As an aside note: In Turkey, I heard tons of people spewing out English curse words, yet if I asked these same people for simple directions (in English), they couldn't help me...Wink
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2007, 04:51:53 AM »

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Yeah, and if you go to someone other than an accredited school or a good book it seems that they immediately want to teach you all the bad words.  Grin
Brother coder;
Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian  ....i have a lot of Croatian  friends  ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2007, 07:01:14 PM »

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Brother coder;
Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian  ....i have a lot of Croatian  friends  ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko
When I get around to it I probably will get a dictionary and grammer and go from there. I did learn just enough of the basics to do some genealogy for the one side of my family. I understand there is a Croatian group in my immediate area, and I am acquainted with the local Pastor of the Croatian Catholic Church where my grandmother was raised in, so if I ever get my act together, I may be able to get some one-on-one help.  Wink

For street any-language you need to know essentially two phrases: 1) where is the bathroom and 2) don't shoot, I'm a (insert ally nation here)Grin

Eternal rest for you sister and mother. I couldn't locate Ocek on a map, where is it located?
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2007, 07:47:56 PM »

Brother coder;
Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian  ....i have a lot of Croatian  friends  ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko
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It could be spelled osek i believe around the bosnian border[granica]some were...i will ask my friend zdenko or mate which ever i see first ..the word mate is a short version of Matthew in serbian and Croatian ....stashko
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2007, 08:06:16 PM »

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It could be spelled osek i believe around the bosnian border[granica]some were...i will ask my friend zdenko or mate which ever i see first ..the word mate is a short version of Matthew in serbian and Croatian ....stashko
My searches are saying that Osek is another name for Osijek in the eastern part of the country - about 10 miles from the Serbian border (Latitude 45º 33' 5" N - Longitude 18º 40' 53" E).

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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2007, 08:50:37 PM »

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My searches are saying that Osek is another name for Osijek in the eastern part of the country - about 10 miles from the Serbian border (Latitude 45º 33' 5" N - Longitude 18º 40' 53" E).




Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong  ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2007, 08:55:05 PM »

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Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong  ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko
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Before coming to America, my great-grandfather was from Zagreb, and my great-grandmother was from Pribić (about 10-15 miles west of Zagreb).
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Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong  ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko

the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 09:30:34 PM »

Hello,
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Before coming to America, my great-grandfather was from Zagreb, and my great-grandmother was from Pribić (about 10-15 miles west of Zagreb).
Brother did you ever visit  croatia it's beautiful the Adriatic coast ...i never been any were there ..i was born in germany also my brother and sisters other than the one sister perka born in bosnia  raised by croatians taken from mom during the 2war ....mom was born in bosanski brod bosnia..dad in rashka serbia ..one day God willing I'll visit it all .....stashko
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 09:59:48 PM »

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the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko
Slovenia (due to geography and history) while a Slavic country has been heavily influenced by both Austria and Italy.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2007, 10:01:16 PM »

Hello,

Brother did you ever visit  croatia it's beautiful the Adriatic coast ...i never been any were there ..i was born in germany also my brother and sisters other than the one sister perka born in bosnia  raised by croatians taken from mom during the 2war ....mom was born in bosanski brod bosnia..dad in rashka serbia ..one day God willing I'll visit it all .....stashko
Nope, I've never been out of North America. I don't know if I will ever venture to Europe, but I would like to see both Italy and Croatia (and other parts of Europe and the Holy Land).
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2007, 10:37:28 PM »

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Slovenia (due to geography and history) while a Slavic country has been heavily influenced by both Austria and Italy.

For some reason we always say german influence ..though your absolutly right austria is above,, like slovenija  predominatly catholic countrys also croatia....stashko
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2007, 10:46:55 PM »

I keep noticing you Divine Mercy image humm,,in the Byzantine icon style ...i'm curious if we orthodox recognise it as a authentic icon ...i'll ask the priest this sunday Fr. Miroslav......brat stashko [stanislav]
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I keep noticing you Divine Mercy image humm,,in the Byzantine icon style ...i'm curious if we orthodox recognise it as a authentic icon ...i'll ask the priest this sunday Fr. Miroslav......brat stashko [stanislav]
I'd be interested in his reply. It was written in 1938 in Vilnius, Lithuania (though it was Poland in 1938). It is called by the names "Christ, Divine Mercy" and "Jesus Christ, King of Mercy". A larger image can be seen here. The top arch has writing in Latin - JESU CONFIDO TIBI - Jesus, I trust in You. The red and white symbolize the blood and water that came forth from the side of Christ on the Cross - which is very integral to the Divine Mercy.

If you have any other questions on this icon, let me know (though let's leave discussion on the Divine Mercy devotion itself to the other thread Wink).

I've also commented on CAF that to me this icon brings together the whole Church. It is done primarily in the Byzantine tradition of iconography of a primarily Latin devotion and to me it has a Coptic/Syriac feel to it (though I can't exactly explain why). And the whole Church constantly implores Christ the King's Mercy.

Also, if your Priest knows where to acquire a copy - I've been hunting all over the world for over a year without luck.  Sad
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2007, 11:14:06 PM »

Hello,
I'd be interested in his reply. It was written in 1938 in Vilnius, Lithuania (though it was Poland in 1938). It is called by the names "Christ, Divine Mercy" and "Jesus Christ, King of Mercy". A larger image can be seen here. The top arch has writing in Latin - JESU CONFIDO TIBI - Jesus, I trust in You. The red and white symbolize the blood and water that came forth from the side of Christ on the Cross - which is very integral to the Divine Mercy.

If you have any other questions on this icon, let me know (though let's leave discussion on the Divine Mercy devotion itself to the other thread Wink).

I've also commented on CAF that to me this icon brings together the whole Church. It is done primarily in the Byzantine tradition of iconography of a primarily Latin devotion and to me it has a Coptic/Syriac feel to it (though I can't exactly explain why). And the whole Church constantly implores Christ the King's Mercy.

Also, if your Priest knows where to acquire a copy - I've been hunting all over the world for over a year without luck.  Sad


It is a beautiful image thought like the sacred heart images also to me there beautiful..ill ask see what he says ..again he may not know about the image or the devotion doesn't hurt to ask though ....stashko
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2007, 08:37:53 PM »

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stasko, did you talk with your Priest this weekend?

Brother;I over slept and missed church ,,,Thank God the Almighty for us Orthodox Christians it's not a mortal or venial sin ,other wise i would of acquired a whole lot of them that i would of had to answer for...But i will ask and  i will send a reply to you ...stashko
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Brother;I over slept and missed church ,,,Thank God the Almighty for us Orthodox Christians it's not a mortal or venial sin ,other wise i would of acquired a whole lot of them that i would of had to answer for...But i will ask and  i will send a reply to you ...stashko
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2007, 09:32:18 PM »

the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko

God bless u !

Do you mean " Lederhosen" ?

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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2007, 09:45:30 PM »

God bless u !

Do you mean " Lederhosen" ?

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Yes that what i meant to write ,i was born in Germany as a baby i and my brother and two sisters brought here u s a so never learned to speak german ,,,,mom and dad spoke it very well when they were alive....stashko
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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2007, 09:52:44 PM »

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Yes that what i meant to write ,i was born in Germany as a baby i and my brother and two sisters brought here u s a so never learned to speak german ,,,,mom and dad spoke it very well when they were alive....stashko

God bless !

Slovenija belonged to the Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy so there are many influences from Austria -like "Lederhosen".

I have relatives in Serbia-Belgrade - they are from Bosnia.

Croatia is beautiful but also Serbia and Montenegro.

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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2007, 10:03:37 PM »

As an aside note: In Turkey, I heard tons of people spewing out English curse words, yet if I asked these same people for simple directions (in English), they couldn't help me...Wink

It's so true ..i wounder why most if not all people gravitate so easily for the bad things .or as scriptures says were wise in the ways of the wicked, but ignorant in the ways of goodness ,,walking the straight and narrow is very hard and difficult....stashko
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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2007, 10:09:01 PM »

Hello,

It's so true ..i wounder why most if not all people gravitate so easily for the bad things .or as scriptures says were wise in the ways of the wicked, but ignorant in the ways of goodness ,,walking the straight and narrow is very hard and difficult....stashko
I have my opinion on the answer, but it would take a bit of explaining to get it all out - and it is widely off topic here.  Wink

I can't even give a short version, as it would give a false impression of what I thought without me giving the whole spiel.
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2007, 10:11:03 PM »

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Croatia is beautiful but also Serbia and Montenegro.

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From the pictures I have seen, I would agree.

Of course, almost everywhere on this planet has its own special kind of beauty - some places have more than others, but all are beautiful (and of course, this is because God made it all and He can create nothing ugly Smiley)
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2007, 10:17:42 PM »

Hello,

Here are some pictures from the region around Pribić, where my great-grandmother was from:




The Greek Catholic Church of Saint Mary's.
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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2007, 11:21:08 PM »

Hello,

Here are some pictures from the region around Pribić, where my great-grandmother was from:




The Greek Catholic Church of Saint Mary's.
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Is that church still active  it looks abandoned though it's a beautiful byzatine style church  ...thats the architecture i like in church's ......just some thing about them i like ...stashko
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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2007, 11:32:16 PM »

Do the croatians have a lot byzatine or Eastern Catholics..I've yet to meet one ..i only know the ones and the friends that i have are very latin catholic ,to them there is nothing else ...stashko
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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2007, 11:58:46 PM »

Try this site:

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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2007, 12:19:52 AM »


Bless your...it's a excellent link for better understanding the serbian /croatian similaities and differences in pronouncing the same words ,,,job well done ...thank you stashko
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« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2007, 09:03:41 AM »

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Brother;
Is that church still active  it looks abandoned though it's a beautiful byzatine style church  ...thats the architecture i like in church's ......just some thing about them i like ...stashko
I do not know, unfortunately. I know that there is a pond/river immediately behind the Church, but whether it is active and just needs some exterior cleaning or if it is abandoned all together - I don't know.
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« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2007, 09:07:03 AM »

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Do the croatians have a lot byzatine or Eastern Catholics..I've yet to meet one ..i only know the ones and the friends that i have are very latin catholic ,to them there is nothing else ...stashko
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« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2007, 09:09:07 AM »

Hello,

Thank you for the site. And of course it shows that despite what some language booksellers will say, Serbian and Croatian are NOT the same language. Wink
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« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2007, 10:59:16 AM »

Hello,
Thank you for the site. And of course it shows that despite what some language booksellers will say, Serbian and Croatian are NOT the same language. Wink

I don't quit follow what you mean ...After the 92 bosnian /serbian /croatian war .i was listening to the croatian radio ,,they were very firm in purging all serbian or what they considered serbian words from there launguage...i did notice the have different names for the months and days ,,,but when it comes down to it it's 98% the same ,,they don't use the word telefone/now it brzoglas[fast talk or fast voice] also i wanted to mention serbs have turkish words too   that are ours now....                        stashko
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« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2007, 03:01:53 PM »

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I don't quit follow what you mean ...After the 92 bosnian /serbian /croatian war .i was listening to the croatian radio ,,they were very firm in purging all serbian or what they considered serbian words from there launguage...i did notice the have different names for the months and days ,,,but when it comes down to it it's 98% the same ,,they don't use the word telefone/now it brzoglas[fast talk or fast voice] also i wanted to mention serbs have turkish words too   that are ours now....                        stashko
If you go to the bookstore, almost all the language books are titled Serbo-Croatian. But they are not linguistically the same language - at best, they share a dialectical relationship. But as even the site relates:

These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.
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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2007, 07:09:43 PM »

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If you go to the bookstore, almost all the language books are titled Serbo-Croatian. But they are not linguistically the same language - at best, they share a dialectical relationship. But as even the site relates:

These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.

Brother how do the croatians say cabbage rolls,in serbian we use the turkish word sarma ,,and corba for soup..kajsh for belt,, kashika for spoon...i believe we were the same people or tribe at one time ,,when christianity was interduced you went west and i went east ,,i guess over time things do change...i really don't mind if the croatian want there own identity and language...i guess it's  like hindi india ...urdu pakistan... language pretty much the same some differences...stashko
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« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2007, 07:12:09 PM »

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Brother how do the croatians say cabbage rolls,in serbian we use the turkish word sarma ,,and corba for soup..kajsh for belt,, kashika for spoon...i believe we were the same people or tribe at one time ,,when christianity was interduced you went west and i went east ,,i guess over time things do change...i really don't mind if the croatian want there own identity and language...i guess it's  like hindi india ...urdu pakistan... language pretty much the same some differences...stashko
You may be interested in learning and reading about linguistical evolution.  Wink
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If you are interested in writing (talking) to people in Serbo-Croatian you can do that on this forum. 


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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2007, 02:05:41 AM »

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You may be interested in learning and reading about linguistical evolution.  Wink

Forgive i know the story below has nothing to due with your subject above ..the story is so funny i had to share it with you incase i forget....stashko

We have  a very good friend of the family [justina is her name she's croatian ,though she was married to a serb has two daughters by him ,they stayed married till the day he passed away ,,,she attended my dad and moms funeral....after the funeral she said to us i want the same type of funeral for my self ,,and the forty day memorial with the zito/wheat with the blessing of the grave with wine ..i want it all she said ,plus to be buried next to her husband ..I and my family didn't know what to tell her,she her self is still roman catholic but orthodox in heart,,i did mention though ask the Father...I told this story to my croatian friends they were very upset and called her a bad name and a traitor.....stashko



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These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.

Actually it is pretty much the other way around among South Slavic languages, it is politics, and not linguistics, that is behind the new separation of Serbo-Croatian into three (and perhaps four now) standards.  The grammatical differences between standard Croatian and standard Serbian are next to nothing.  Before the break-up of Yugoslavia the lexical differences were very minimal (probably less lexical differences than between American and British English).  Even now it remains to be seen if the Croatian new words will in fact remain in usage.  Right now it is almost a sort of diglossia from some of the Croats that I know - if we are talking informally they use almost exclusively old words (i.e "Serbian" or loanwords from English, German or French).  There are no objective criteria for what determines what is a language and what is a dialect.  For instance under the political influence of pan-Arab nationalism a Moroccan and a Syrian will both emphatically agree that they speak the same language - despite their complete inability to communicate with each other except via a third language (i.e MSA).  Whereas a Serb and a Croat who understand one another nearly 100% will claim they speak separate languages (more likely the Croat will insist he speaks only Croatian and that he doesn't understand Serbian... had this happen to me once when I said moram da idem rather than moram ici...and the Serb will claim, but you're speaking Serbian now).   

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Hrvati su izbacili iz svog jezika takozvane "srbizme", i tako ako se ispred glagola nade "da" (da idem,da kazem...)to je onda "srbizam".i naravno srbi imaju svoju "ekavicu" (gde, reka...)a hrvati "ije i jekavicu" (gdje,rijeka...:-).Sta nitko na ovom forumu ne zna pricati "po naski"?Ja sam naprimjer hrvatskog porijekla.
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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2007, 10:48:21 AM »

Hrvati su izbacili iz svog jezika takozvane "srbizme", i tako ako se ispred glagola nade "da" (da idem,da kazem...)to je onda "srbizam".i naravno srbi imaju svoju "ekavicu" (gde, reka...)a hrvati "ije i jekavicu" (gdje,rijeka...:-).Sta nitko na ovom forumu ne zna pricati "po naski"?Ja sam naprimjer hrvatskog porijekla.

To je šteta.  Volim riječi kao "komšija," "kobajagi," "ćuprija"....

Ja sam pol hrvat, pol mađar/nemac.  Moja obitelj bila iz Slavonije, i oni su govorili  malo ekavski: "gde," "vreme" i tako ostali... ali oni su doselili ovdje u Americi pre Drugi Svetski Rat.

Actually it is pretty much the other way around among South Slavic languages, [...]

Yep.
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Hrvati su izbacili iz svog jezika takozvane "srbizme", i tako ako se ispred glagola nade "da" (da idem,da kazem...)to je onda "srbizam".i naravno srbi imaju svoju "ekavicu" (gde, reka...)a hrvati "ije i jekavicu" (gdje,rijeka...:-).Sta nitko na ovom forumu ne zna pricati "po naski"?Ja sam naprimjer hrvatskog porijekla.

Help! Translation?

Hrvati - that means Croatia or Croatian, right?

I might be able to pronounce this without too much effort, but I'm at a lost for what it means.
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2007, 03:50:39 PM »

Hi Athanasios,


At the beginning of her message, Aleksandra was explaining some of the changes that have occured in the Croatian language that differentiate it from modern literary Serbian. Phrases utilizing "da+present tense" of a verb to indicate an infinitive are avoided as "Serbisms."  Certain words are likewise avoided as Serbisms as well (tisuća/hiljada, hleb/kruh, bližnica/komšija, sretan/srećan.)  Finally, there are spelling and pronunciation differences between literary Serbian and literary Croatian.  The former is based on "ekavian" dialect and the latter "ijekavian."  For example, "river" in Serbian is "reka" but "rijeka" in Croatian (other examples: "milk"- mleka/mlijeka, "time" vreme/vrijeme, "where"- gde/gdje). 

Everyday folk though(unless they are really politically conscious) speak in the manner of the region they were brought up in, regardless of their ethnic background.  For example, Serbs from Krajina (the mountainous region bordering Bosnia-Hercegovina in Croatia) speak primarily "ijekavian," so do the Serbs from Bosnia until one gets closer to Serbia proper.  In Vojvodina (North Serbia), and Slavonija (eastern Croatia), Croatians (like some of my family) would use some "ekavian" words and constructions.

One should aslo mention the other dialects that did not really play a part in the formation of modern Serbian and Croatian.  There is a third dialect found along the coast, "ikavian/čakavian" that is spoken by both Serbs and Croats (words are written with an "i"- "Vrime," "Gdi", "Mlika").  It is also found to a certain extent among Catholic Bunjevac communities in Vojvodina (refugess from the Turks who settled there hundreds of years ago).
Around Zagreb, there is found the "kajkavian" dialect (which I have a hard time understanding- it sounds like Slovenian to me), and in the south of Serbia there is the "Torlakian" which has affinities with neighboring Bulgarian and Macedonian dialects.


That's probably more than you wanted to know, so I apologize for the long-winded digression.
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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »

Hello,

That's just going straight over my head. I can understand what you are saying, but when you throw in the Croatian or Serbian examples, I draw a blank. But that is probably because I really can't speak the language with understanding (but, like I said, I probably could physically pronounce the words).

Maybe I should stick with Italian and Latin. Embarrassed
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Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be.  The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though.  Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended.  I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad. 
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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2007, 09:39:10 PM »

Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be.  The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though.  Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended.  I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad. 


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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2007, 10:28:13 PM »

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Brother Coder ; i asked he never heard or see one divine mercy icona ..if it's not written by a orthodox it's not considered a true icon ...   true icona's are from orthodox monasterys we can be sure of,,,any thing else is questionable....stashko.......
Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:


The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina


A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

But, thanks for the information.

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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2007, 11:27:35 PM »

Hello,
Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:


The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina


A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

But, thanks for the information.

God Bless.

Brother;
He said that there is lot's of prayer and fasting involved and meditation ,,a icon can take a year or more to write plus theologicaly correct,,,there not mass produced ,,these are the authentic ones with the real gold leaf backgrounds,,thats why there real expensive. if one was to purchase  one ...stashko...................<a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZS%2526i%253D36%252F36%255F15%255F63%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank">SmileyCentral.com" border="0<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D36%252F36_15_63/image.gif">[/url]





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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2007, 11:31:53 PM »

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He said that there is lot's of prayer and fasting involved and meditation ,,a icon can take a year or more to write plus theologicaly correct,,,there not mass produced ,,these are the authentic ones with the real gold leaf backgrounds,,thats why there real expensive. if one was to purchase  one ...stashko...................

Have you seen this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13436.0.html
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2007, 11:33:36 PM »

Hello,

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.


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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2007, 11:43:20 PM »

Hello,

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.


God Bless.

Brother how do you post links from other forum subjects ,,i don't know how to do it..if  you have time write me some simple instuctions also how to post  web links ,,,,stashko
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It's easy for you,,i speak serbian street level thats it ...lot's of words go over my head it's not that easy ...i have bosnian and serbian music in some of them i hear words galeb.and.becar..i ment to ask the croatians or serbs what they mean ,,every time i see them i forget to ask ...stashko... stanislav <a

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I'm by no means fluent.  My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history.  If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.  Tongue Smiley

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull".  "Becar" is harder to define.  Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard." 
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2007, 03:12:08 PM »

Hello,

What are some Christmas words and phrases in Croatian?
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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2007, 03:59:06 PM »

Hi Athanasios,

Merry Christmas is "Sretan Božić"

"Isus se Rodi" is "Jesus is Born"

"Happy New Year" is "Vesela Nova Godina"

Here is a Youtube video that has a number of nicely recorded Croatian Christmas carols as the soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QBTHfKFhs&feature=related
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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2007, 04:08:51 PM »

Hi Stashko!

I'm by no means fluent.  My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history.  If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.  Tongue Smiley

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull".  "Becar" is harder to define.  Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard." 

Фала брате ...ста је лола исто као бечар...Thank you brother what about the word lola same as becar i think one means a bad boy doesn't it stashko

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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2007, 04:16:11 PM »

Hello,

What are some Christmas words and phrases in Croatian?
Brother here's   Some croatian radio links you may like ..i like the bosnian music better though...stashko.......

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 www.hrt.hr/hr
 
 HRT
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.hkr.hr
 
 Hrv. Katolicki Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radiozupanja.hr
 ---
 Hrv. Radio Zupanja
 
 Zupanja
 

 www.narodni.hr
 
 Narodni Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.novi-radio.hr
 
 Novi Radio
 
 Djakovo
 

 www.noviradio.hr
 ---
 Novi Radio
 
 Zadar
 

 www.obiteljski.hr
 
 Obiteljski Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.otvoreni.hr
 ---
 Otvoreni Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.petrinjskiradio.com
 
 Petrinjski Radio
 
 Petrinja
 

 www.plaviradio.hr
 
 Plavi Radio
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.primorski-radio.hr
 
 Primorski Radio
 
 Rijeka
 

 www.radio057.hr
 
 Radio 057
 
 Zadar
 

 www.radio1.hr
 
 Radio 1
 
 Cakovec
 

 www.radio101.hr
 
 Radio 101
 
 Zagreb
 

 http://radio105.hr
 
 Radio 105
 
 Selnica
 

 www.radio-brac.hr
 ---
 Radio Brac
 
 Brac
 

 www.radiobrod.hr
 
 Radio Brod
 
 Slavonski Brod
 

 www.radio-cakovec.hr
 
 Radio Cakovec
 
 Cakovec
 

 www.radiocentar.hr
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 Radio Centar
 
 Porec
 

 www.radio-cibona.hr
 
 Radio Cibona
 
 Zabreb
 

 www.radiodalmacija.hr
 ---
 Radio Dalmacija
 
 Split
 

 www.radiodeejay.hr
 
 Radio DeeJay
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radio-djakovo.hr
 ---
 Radio Djakovo
 
 Djakovo
 

 www.radio-drava.hr
 ---
 Radio Drava
 
 Koprivnica
 

 www.radiodubrovnik.com
 ---
 Radio Dubrovnik
 
 Dubrovnik
 

 www.radio-ilok.hr
 ---
 Radio Ilok
 
 Ilok
 

 www.radioimotski.hr
 
 Radio Imotski
 
 Imotski
 

 www.radio-kaj.hr
 ---
 Radio Kaj
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.hrk.hr
 ---
 Radio Karlovac
 
 Karlovac
 

 www.radio-koprivnica.hr
 
 Radio Koprivnica
 
 Koprivnica
 

 www.radio-korcula.hr
 ---
 Radio Korcula
 
 Korcula
 

 www.radio-laus.hr
 
 Radio Laus
 
 Dubrovnik
 

 www.radio-m.hr
 ---
 Radio M
 
 Vela Luka
 

 www.radio-maestral.hr
 ---
 Radio Maestral
 
 Pula
 

 www.radiomarija.hr
 
 Radio Marija
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radio-martin.hr
 
 Radio Martin
 
 Dugo Selo
 

 www.radio-mreznica.hr
 
 Radio Mreznica
 
 Duga Resa
 

 www.radio-otok-krk.hr
 ---
 Radio OK
 
 Krk
 

 www.eter.hr
 ---
 Radio Osijek
 
 Osijek
 

 www.radio-plus.hr
 ---
 Radio Plus
 
 Osijek
 

 www.radioritam.hr
 
 Radio Ritam
 
 Sibenik
 

 www.radioriva.hr
 
 Radio Riva
 
 Split
 

 www.radio-rovinj.hr
 
 Radio Rovinj
 
 Rovinj
 

 www.radiosamobor.hr
 ---
 Radio Samobor
 
 Samobor
 

 www.radiosibenik.com
 
 Radio Sibenik
 
 Sibenik
 

 www.radioslavonija.hr
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 Radio Slavonia
 
 Slavonski Brod
 

 www.strmica.info
 
 Radio Strmica
 
 Strmica
 

 www.radiostudent.fpzg.hr
 
 Radio Student
 
 Zagreb
 

 www.radiotrogir.hr
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 Radio Trogir
 
 Trogir
 

 www.radioval.hr
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 Radio Val
 
 Vela Luka
 

 www.hrv.hr
 
 Radio Vukovar
 
 Vukovar
 

 http://radio.zadar.net
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 Radio Zadar
 
 Zadar
 

 www.radio-zapresic.hr
 
 Radio Zapresic
 
 Zapresic
 

 www.zg-radio.hr
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 Zagrebacki Radio
 
 Zagreb
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2007, 04:17:52 PM »

Брате Сташко,

Нема на чему.  

Мислим да је реч "лола" као "бечар"

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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2007, 04:40:39 PM »

Брате Сташко,

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Мислим да је реч "лола" као "бечар"

У Христу,
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2007, 05:23:12 PM »

Hello,

Hi Athanasios,

Merry Christmas is "Sretan Božić"

"Isus se Rodi" is "Jesus is Born"

"Happy New Year" is "Vesela Nova Godina"

Here is a Youtube video that has a number of nicely recorded Croatian Christmas carols as the soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QBTHfKFhs&feature=related
Thanks. How about the Angels line: Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men of good will?
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Hello,

Thanks Brother stashko for the radio links.
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Thanks. How about the Angels line: Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men of good will?

  "Slava na višni Bogu, i na zemlji mir među ljudima dobra volja"
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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2007, 05:36:23 PM »

Hello,

Thanks Brother stashko for the radio links.

Brother;
No,,,, thank you for teaching me how to post them.. if you want some bosnian or gypsie radio links i will send them ...stashko
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Hello,

  "Slava na višni Bogu, i na zemlji mir među ljudima dobra volja"

Thanks.
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No,,,, thank you for teaching me how to post them.. if you want some bosnian or gypsie radio links i will send them ...stashko

Gypsies! I thought their entire ethnic group was completely destroyed in the WWII concentration camps.
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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2007, 08:03:39 PM »

Hello,

Gypsies! I thought their entire ethnic group was completely destroyed in the WWII concentration camps.

Brother;
No not entirely there still around ,,some migrated or excaped to other countrys during the war ,,some came back after the war,,,there's alot or gypsies here in the u.s.a. serbian ,bosnian ,romainian ,hungarians,,there very good in playing music in ethnic nightclubs from other countrys..there music is good ,,i perfer bosnian music ,some of it has the turkish influence .......stashko
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Hello,

Interesting. For secular music from Europe, I like the Italian folk music. Wink
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« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2007, 09:12:04 PM »

Hello,

Interesting. For secular music from Europe, I like the Italian folk music. Wink

Brother;
The italian music is good also the opera's ,,every country in the world has beautiful  things to offer the people from food,art ,and other things....heres some bosnian links croatian and gypsie from around the world ...stashko
 www.balkan-muzika.net
 
 Radio Balkan Muzika
 
 Holland
 

 www.radiobalkanac.com
 
 Radio Balkanac
 
 Germany
 
..............www.sanradio.de
 
 San Radio
 
 Germany
 
 www.opanak.ch
 
 Radio Opanak
 
 Switzerland
 
 www.maliyugic.net
 
 Radio Mali Yugic
 
 Sweden
 
 www.radiobosanac.net
 
 Radio Bosanac
 
 Danmark
 

 www.radiobosanka.de
 
 Radio Bosanka
 
 Germany
 

 www.radiobalkan.net
 
 Radio Balkan
 
 Danmark
 

 www.balkan-muzika.net
 
 Radio Balkan Muzika
 
 Holland
 

 www.croatia-network.eu
 
 Croatia Network
 
 Germany
 

 www.cronet24.eu
 
 Cronet 24 Radio
 
 Germany
 

 www.croradio.net
 
 CroRadio Net
 
 Australia
 

 http://bm.pozarevac.net
 
 BM Radio
 
 Switzerland
 

 www.coolbosnia.com
 
 CoolRadiO
 
 Switzerland
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2007, 09:20:28 PM »

Brother coder ..all i did was highlite what i needed press ctrl +c then ctrl +v and it appeares magically in my post then i press send ...brother stashko,,, above post are my favorite radio stations are san radio.,,bosanac radio... cool bosna.....bosanka radio....two others not listed above are zemlotrese[earthquake] and drina radio...enjoy  once you go to there home page all i do is right click on the radio link and save it as is to the desk top and play it from there....stashko
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