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« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2007, 01:41:29 PM » |
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Ousia directly is in the Creed. ("homousios to Patri"- literally: "the same ousia as the Father". This is usually translated in English as "One in Essence with the Father". )
Physis is implied by "became man" ("enanthropoisanta").
"Hypostasis" is also implied since Each Hypostasis of the Trinity is addressed as God in the Creed, and yet the Creed opens with the words: "I believe in One God".
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« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2007, 02:03:35 PM » |
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"Hypostasis" is closely translated as "Person".
"Physis" is closely translated as "Nature".
"Ousia" is closely translated as "Essence/Substance/Being". There used to be at least one thread at now vanished EC CAF archive about the meaning of these words. I've learned there that Copts, for instance, understood hypostasis as physis, so that's why they rejected Chalcedon. We were speaking about two natures, they understood it as two persons. |
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« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2007, 02:06:32 PM » |
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There used to be at least one thread at now vanished EC CAF archive about the meaning of these words.
I've learned there that Copts, for instance, understood hypostasis as physis, so that's why they rejected Chalcedon. We were speaking about two natures, they understood it as two persons. I understand this was addressed to ozgeorge but would you mind elaborating on this a bit? I'm still learning so I'd appreciate it. |
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« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2007, 02:17:42 PM » |
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Hi guys. I hope ya'll are having fun.
I just thought I would add something unrelated for a moment. If you scroll all the way down to the end of the page, one of the "tags" says: "trollodox." Funny funny.
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« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2007, 03:51:47 PM » |
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Hi guys. I hope ya'll are having fun.
I just thought I would add something unrelated for a moment. If you scroll all the way down to the end of the page, one of the "tags" says: "trollodox." Funny funny.
Is that the name of the 10 million year old tetrapod found in the ancient archiological digs in Alexandria?  |
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« Reply #95 on: November 13, 2007, 03:55:08 PM » |
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« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2007, 04:49:28 PM » |
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I ONLY TALK ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL THINGS.
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« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2007, 01:52:27 AM » |
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« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2007, 07:20:12 AM » |
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And none of my questions to you are "substantial"?
Ebor
Hi Ebor. I was only talking to ozgeorge when I said that. Yes your questions were substantial. Unfortunately the thread has been hijacked by scholastics. |
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« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2007, 08:53:12 AM » |
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Milarkey. That is the weakest excuse for your avoidance of answering direct questions I've ever read on ANY forum.
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« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2007, 09:17:07 AM » |
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Milarkey. That is the weakest excuse for your avoidance of answering direct questions I've ever read on ANY forum.
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« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2007, 07:27:55 AM » |
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I understand this was addressed to ozgeorge but would you mind elaborating on this a bit? I'm still learning so I'd appreciate it.
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