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« on: November 07, 2007, 10:05:55 PM »

We have a large Finnish Community here in Blackheath. The terrible news of the School Shooting in Finland reached us here this morning. The local Catholic Church in Blackheath set up a Cross on it's grounds near the road which has become a place where people go to place candles and flowers whenever tragedies like this happen. I think it is a great idea, so I took a votive candle and some flowers from my garden to lay at the Cross for the slaughtered children and teacher in Finland. When I arrived, I was surprised to see how many had already done so, and that there was a crowd.
I lit my candle, laid my flowers and stood for a while. I heard a woman say to to her friend in the crowd: "Why is it always men who do these things?" A man in the crowd heard her and anglily said: "It's not because he was a man! It's because he was crazy!" The woman calmly replied: "Yeah, he was crazy. But women also go crazy, and I've never heard of a woman shooting 7 school kids and their teacher." The entire crowd went silent.
I'm still processing this little incident at the Cross.

At Blackeath Cross, one drizzling morn,
A crowd had gathered near.
To light their candles, lay their flowers,
And overcome their fear,
Twenty-something people gathered there
To pay their last respects,
To seven school kids slaughtered
For no reason that made sense.

A woman in front laid her flowers
In silence, and with grace.
She seemed to want to say something
In this sacred space.
She turned to her friend who stood beside
And gathering all her strength
Began to voice her thoughts to her
Without speaking too much at length.

She said "I wonder why,
As I try to make sense of this,
Why is it always men
Who resort to the gun, the sword and the fist?
Why does 'gunman' sound so familiar,
While 'gunwoman' doesn't quite ring true?
What is it about men
that makes them do the things they do?

And a man behind me in the crowd,
Started getting steamed,
He said "It wasn't because he was a man,
This guy was crazy, mad, obscene!"
"Yes he was crazy," the woman replied,
"But women go crazy too,
And I've never heard of a woman
shooting 7 school kids, have you?"

And all those other times came
Flooding back to me again.
A hundred news reports of men
Killing family, neighbours, friends.
And yes I can remember one or two
Where a woman's hand held the gun
But exceptions only prove the rule,
And the question still remains.




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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 12:03:36 AM »

In ethics we learned that when men sin they are prone to the Irascible sins, mainly of anger.  When women sin, they are mainly prone to concupiscent (appetative) sins, so mainly gluttony.  Ever ask that woman why there are exponentially more obese, bolemic, anorexic, etc. women than men? 

Psychologically this stands true as well.  When men come from abusive relationships they tend to be abusive themselves (anger/irascible).  When women come from abusive relationships they tend to have eating disorders (concupiscent/appetative). 

Let me know what you think of that. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2007, 12:42:44 AM »

Basically, what he said.

Men hurt others.  Women hurt themselves.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 04:45:05 AM »

Men hurt others.  Women hurt themselves.
I'd never thought of it that way, and I can see some truth in that.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 06:30:47 AM »

There's some flawed thinking going on here. It's not been that long since at least one woman, if not tow or three, drowned her own children. Seems male perpetrators are always seen as inherently evil but women in these cases only disturbed.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 07:00:33 AM »

There's some flawed thinking going on here. It's not been that long since at least one woman, if not tow or three, drowned her own children. Seems male perpetrators are always seen as inherently evil but women in these cases only disturbed.
And yes I can remember one or two
Where a woman's hand held the gun
But exceptions only prove the rule,
And the question still remains.
I think they're both seen as disturbed, however it seems men are more likely to "go postal" than women when they are disturbed. And I would suggest that a woman killing her own children is more likely to be seen as "evil" than "disturbed". A father doing the same thing would more likely be seen as "disturbed" than "evil".
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 07:07:36 AM »

These are generalities, sure, but ask why that happened; didn't the mother drown her children because she thought they were demon-possessed?  Even in that violent act, the mother thought she was helping the kids; most male shooters, afaik, just wanted to get the b@$+@rds back.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 07:13:46 AM »

Valid points, both.

I usually see a frustrated man and a confused woman; maybe you're right.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 10:38:07 PM »

Interplay of hormones comes into play as well.  How many women have killed their infants in the throes of Post Partem Depression, and would this number be greater than the number of men who've gone on to kill children or infants?  There seems to be more specific circumstances for women to commit homicidal acts (versus men).

Sometimes the modus operandi depends on factors that are less in the control of the person, which is why it is best to diagnose and treat the anger/depression/mental illness early - one never knows how the body and mind will respond.
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