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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #855 on: December 04, 2007, 06:14:59 PM »
I know that the irenic Padre Ambrogio has had far too much work in the past few months to find the time to post on CAF.

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #856 on: December 04, 2007, 09:12:47 PM »
My dear brethren,

the irenic Padre Ambrogio (:-\) has indeed been away from the fray until today, due to a combination of ill health, parish burdens and not a little amount of personal laziness... about which your prayers will be very effective, and are gratefully accepted!

Many thanks to Bob (Orthodoc) who de-briefed me of all the recent happenings, and who let me partake of this good - albeit sad - gathering of old hearts. Just by reading your words I realized how much I was missing you all.  :'(

Let me state for the benefit of general peace that I have not been banned. At least, I see that I can still post replies... not that this leaves me with a great propension to do so.

The way you have been treated by CAF leaves me so deeply disgusted, that I perceived myself reacting in all but irenic ways. But I am willing to hear your suggestions, and to make use of the means at my disposal (including the still extant CAF membership... to the point of cyber-martyrdom, if needed) in order to bring some measure of justice.

Do remember that our postings were means of enrichment, good publicity and wealth to CAF. At least, they were marketed as such in order to reach a wider public. So there are positive actions that we are at least entitled to require from the CAF staff. Perhaps the one who deserves such compensation more than anybody is Joe Monahan.

Looking forward to your proposals,

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« Reply #857 on: December 04, 2007, 10:52:22 PM »
Welcome Padre,

Looking forward to your participation here...

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« Reply #858 on: December 05, 2007, 12:09:18 AM »
Padre Bless-

We have not interacted in a while at the CAF;  however, I simply wanted to say Hello, and wish you many blessings heading into the Christmas feast.
It is good to hear from you on this wonderful site.

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #859 on: December 05, 2007, 05:21:06 AM »
Bless Padre,

It is indeed wonderful to see a post from "the other Ambrose". My prayers for your health, your work, and you, dear friend. You've been missed these months past over there - even before my brethren were so sadly evicted. I'll let Joe know that I've seen a post from you (and your kind words about him), as I know that he had expressed concern to both your elder brother in holy orders and to myself about your well-being.

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #860 on: December 05, 2007, 05:49:44 AM »
gathering of old hearts. Just by reading your words I realized how much I was missing you all.  :'(
And how much we have missed you too, and prayed for you.

It is so good to hear your voice again and we all hope you will find time to contribute messages when you have time.

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #861 on: December 05, 2007, 06:06:04 AM »
Welcome back Fr. Ambrogio!

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« Reply #862 on: December 05, 2007, 07:04:24 AM »
Welcome back Fr. Ambrogio!




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« Reply #863 on: December 05, 2007, 11:10:41 AM »
Bless Padre,

My prayers are with you as you struggle through the trials of physical and spiritual warfare. Your posts at CAF were a true blessing for me and my family during our journey to the Holy Orthodox Church.

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« Reply #864 on: December 05, 2007, 11:24:32 PM »
Padre Ambrogio, bless

It's nice to see you here.  Your posts on CAF were an inspiration to me also.  :)  I look forward to seeing more of them here when you have time to post.  I will remember your parish responsibilities in my daily prayers.

God bless,

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« Reply #865 on: December 05, 2007, 11:33:08 PM »
Padre Ambrogio, bless

It's nice to see you here.  Your posts on CAF were an inspiration to me also.  :)  I look forward to seeing more of them here when you have time to post.  I will remember your parish responsibilities in my daily prayers.

God bless,

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #866 on: December 06, 2007, 12:53:38 AM »
My Profile at CAF has been altered today and for Contact Information it reads:

Fr Ambrose has no contact information.


Good Grief!

Inventing more and more lies...

They must see themselves as in a war and their Church under attack, so that ANY actions in defense of the See of Peter, even if of lies and deceptions, are perfectly justified...  Except for plain choosing evil, which I cannot bring myself to believe of them, this is the only understanding that makes sense of otherwise reasonably good folks doing such wrong things...

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #867 on: December 06, 2007, 01:43:28 AM »
Good Grief!

Inventing more and more lies...

They must see themselves as in a war and their Church under attack, so that ANY actions in defense of the See of Peter, even if of lies and deceptions, are perfectly justified...  Except for plain choosing evil, which I cannot bring myself to believe of them, this is the only understanding that makes sense of otherwise reasonably good folks doing such wrong things...

Arsenios

Ouch!

The truth hurts.
They are bleeding from the nose.

It only hurts us because we invested so much time with them.
Very sad indeed.
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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #868 on: December 06, 2007, 02:12:01 AM »
It only hurts us because we invested so much time with them.
Which you could have invested in helping to build up an Orthodox forum.....<cough>
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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #869 on: December 06, 2007, 03:54:24 AM »
Which you could have invested in helping to build up an Orthodox forum.....<cough>
;D

A good encouragement for us to stay here!

However, it was not at all a wasted effort:

- it brought us all together (no small feat);

- it was instrumental to bring about some precious conversions to Holy Orthodoxy (of which the "convert issues" section of this forum may benefit in due course);

- It remains as a standing witness that the path of dialogue is still going on at an individual level, yet it is often manipulated and subjected to abuses of power. A good lesson for the times to come.

In Christ,

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PS. Thanks to all for the very warm welcome!  :-*
Any ideas about how to give my contribution to the bannees' cause?
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« Reply #870 on: December 06, 2007, 04:50:49 AM »
- it was instrumental to bring about some precious conversions to Holy Orthodoxy (of which the "convert issues" section of this forum may benefit in due course)
At your service, dear Father and Brother.

I have started a thread Conversions to Orthodoxy
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13793.msg192429.html#msg192429

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« Reply #871 on: December 06, 2007, 04:57:52 AM »
Which you could have invested in helping to build up an Orthodox forum.....<cough>
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I don't think that many of us were aware of the existence of OC.net.  I was invited onto CAF by a Catholic friend who told me that my parochial school knowledge of contemporary Catholicism was totally out of date.  And of course there soon developed the adrenalin thrill of debating with Catholics.  I hope there are lots of Catholics here so that we may enjoy the apologetics again. Where's my shillelagh?

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« Reply #872 on: December 06, 2007, 06:01:00 AM »
Dear Hesychios-Michael,

I see that you have Account under Review under your name.  Is this a new punishment? I thought that you were cleared to post?  Since you are one of the most gentlemanly posters on CAF I cannot imagine what your sin was!

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« Reply #873 on: December 06, 2007, 06:26:50 AM »
Dear Hesychios-Michael,

I see that you have Account under Review under your name.  Is this a new punishment? I thought that you were cleared to post?  Since you are one of the most gentlemanly posters on CAF I cannot imagine what your sin was!

I didn't see that under his name.  I was just reading his post comparing the Vatican II spirit and other such things to the comment "that's a nice toupee you have."  ROFLF.
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« Reply #874 on: December 06, 2007, 07:07:37 AM »
I didn't see that under his name.
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You're right.  It's gone now.  Or was I hallucinating?

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Re: catholic answers forum bars orthodox dicussion
« Reply #875 on: December 06, 2007, 08:32:33 AM »
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I don't think that many of us were aware of the existence of OC.net.  I was invited onto CAF by a Catholic friend who told me that my parochial school knowledge of contemporary Catholicism was totally out of date.  And of course there soon developed the adrenalin thrill of debating with Catholics.  I hope there are lots of Catholics here so that we may enjoy the apologetics again. Where's my shillelagh?


I'm game, now that my exams are over (as of Wed the 5th Dec).  ;D

We've GOT to do something about that parochial knowledge.  ::)

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« Reply #876 on: December 06, 2007, 08:53:24 AM »
I'm game, now that my exams are over (as of Wed the 5th Dec).  ;D

We've GOT to do something about that parochial knowledge.  ::)
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« Reply #877 on: December 06, 2007, 10:54:30 AM »
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It was those wildly eccentric Catholic nuns?  How were we kids supposed to know they were stark raving bonkers, teaching us about Limbo and Saint Brigid being ordained a bishop?   :o

You poor thing! How did you ever survive?  :laugh:

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« Reply #878 on: December 06, 2007, 02:29:18 PM »
- it was instrumental to bring about some precious conversions to Holy Orthodoxy (of which the "convert issues" section of this forum may benefit in due course)

What started me on the path was seeing that Orthodox had very good, very solid historically sound answers to give to Catholics when their beliefs were asked about or challenged.

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« Reply #879 on: December 06, 2007, 02:31:51 PM »
What started me on the path was seeing that Orthodox had very good, very solid historically sound answers to give to Catholics when their beliefs were asked about or challenged.

Lol. They are called polemics.
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« Reply #880 on: December 06, 2007, 02:39:10 PM »
Lol. They are called polemics.

And what do you call Catholic arguments?

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« Reply #881 on: December 06, 2007, 02:59:32 PM »
Lol. They are called polemics.

polemics are not always untrue. I often find them distasteful, but they are not always without merit.
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« Reply #882 on: December 06, 2007, 03:01:32 PM »
What started me on the path was seeing that Orthodox had very good, very solid historically sound answers to give to Catholics when their beliefs were asked about or challenged.

Well, you've had a thousand years to come up with them. They better be good.  ;D

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« Reply #883 on: December 06, 2007, 03:08:38 PM »
Lol. They are called polemics.
Lol.  Correction--it is called truth.

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« Reply #884 on: December 06, 2007, 03:43:00 PM »
And what do you call Catholic arguments?

Apologetics.

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« Reply #885 on: December 06, 2007, 03:46:30 PM »
And what do you call Catholic arguments?

Fiction. ;)
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« Reply #887 on: December 06, 2007, 06:46:00 PM »
Fiction. ;)

Wouldn't innovations be a better answer?

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« Reply #888 on: December 06, 2007, 06:47:09 PM »
polemics are not always untrue. I often find them distasteful, but they are not always without merit.

Probably so. Could you give us some examples of each please?

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« Reply #889 on: December 06, 2007, 06:49:02 PM »
Fiction. ;)

Beats sarcastic Hellenisms.  :laugh:

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« Reply #890 on: December 06, 2007, 06:59:03 PM »
Beats sarcastic Hellenisms.  :laugh:

I'm a Slav.  Looks like you Latins can't even get your insults right. :laugh:
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« Reply #891 on: December 06, 2007, 07:24:24 PM »
I'm a Slav.  Looks like you Latins can't even get your insults right. :laugh:

What insult, I thought it was a joke?  :-X

I know what you mean though, it is hard to tell isn't it?
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« Reply #892 on: December 06, 2007, 07:37:46 PM »
Well, you've had a two thousand years to come up with them. They better be good.  ;D

Sorry, mod no more, but this needed some editing.  :D
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« Reply #893 on: December 06, 2007, 08:05:06 PM »
Lol. They are called polemics.

This post, should have been:

"Hey wynd, could you start a new thread detailing what you think these are so can further discuss them?"

But instead it just brought up a flurry of useless sniping posts, that benefit no-one.

Please all, THINK before you post. Dismissing anothers faith as polemics, or fiction is hardly going to win them over!

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« Reply #894 on: December 06, 2007, 08:47:16 PM »
This post, should have been:

"Hey wynd, could you start a new thread detailing what you think these are so can further discuss them?"

But instead it just brought up a flurry of useless sniping posts, that benefit no-one.

Please all, THINK before you post. Dismissing anothers faith as polemics, or fiction is hardly going to win them over!

In Jesus Christ,

Wait a second, aren't polemics and apologetics basically the same thing except polemics usually define against the western church while apologetics are concerned with the facts of the faith? Don't the Orthodox like polemics any more? Why would there be any offence at saying Orthodox arguments are polemics? Isn't this the case?

I didn't say polemics to dismiss anyones faith. I think I have read all the polemics and apologetics yet I dismiss nothing. If someone believes Orthodox polemics enough to convert then amen so be it. I would just hope they were getting the real story and not the slanted version so often portraited as I have heard so many times from returning converts.

Now to call our faith "fiction" or imply only polemics are truth on the other hand, that I would say is a bit contemptuous and as such useless snipping.

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« Reply #895 on: December 06, 2007, 08:52:04 PM »
Now to call our faith "fiction" or imply only polemics are truth on the other hand, that I would say is a bit contemptuous and as such useless snipping.

If you really want us to open the Great and Holy Book of Grudges, we can.  ;)
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« Reply #896 on: December 06, 2007, 08:52:20 PM »
Wait a second, aren't polemics and apologetics basically the same thing except polemics usually define against the western church while apologetics are concerned with the facts of the faith? Don't the Orthodox like polemics any more? Why would there be any offence at saying Orthodox arguments are polemics? Isn't this the case?

I didn't say polemics to dismiss anyones faith. I think I have read all the polemics and apologetics yet I dismiss nothing. If someone believes Orthodox polemics enough to convert then amen so be it. I would just hope they were getting the real story and not the slanted version so often portraited as I have heard so many times from returning converts.

Now to call our faith "fiction" or imply only polemics are truth on the other hand, that I would say is a bit contemptuous and as such useless snipping.

Peace.

I think if you thought what you were saying here was true, you wouldn't have started your initial post with 'lol'.

But, I was doing the same not long ago on CAF, so who am I to judge?

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« Reply #897 on: December 06, 2007, 10:48:47 PM »

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Yeah, I still post some on CAF.  I've been taking a break from the forums to focus more on the Nativity fast, however.  :) 

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« Reply #898 on: December 06, 2007, 10:52:09 PM »
Apologetics.

That's a rather arbitrary assessment, isn't it?   ;D  I think we should focus on the merits of the argument rather than the amount of refinement in its style of delivery.
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« Reply #899 on: December 07, 2007, 02:06:01 AM »
That's a rather arbitrary assessment, isn't it?   ;D  I think we should focus on the merits of the argument rather than the amount of refinement in its style of delivery.

Or dismissing it out of hand based on whose argument it is.