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Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« on: October 30, 2007, 04:58:00 PM »
I have long been confused about Cardinals in Roman Catholicism.

What exactly are their roles/purpose?

Does Orthodoxy have anything similar?
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Re: Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 05:35:00 PM »
First, what is a Cardinal:

Cardinal is a title of honor that makes one a member of the College of Cardinals, which is to assist the Pope and elect his successor.  Once upon a time there were Cardinal Deacons and Cardinal Priests in addition to the Cardinal Archbishops that one sees now.  The wiki article is pretty complete

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A cardinal is a senior ecclesiastical official, usually a bishop, of the Roman Catholic Church. They are collectively known as the College of Cardinals, which as a body elects a new pope. The duties of the cardinals include attending the meetings of the College and making themselves available individually or collectively to the pope if he requests their counsel. Most cardinals have additional duties, such as leading a diocese or archdiocese or running a department of the Roman Curia.

A cardinal's other main function is electing the pope, whenever by death or resignation, the seat becomes vacant. In 1059 the right of electing the Pope was reserved to the principal clergy of Rome and the bishops of the seven suburbicarian sees. During the sede vacante, the period between a pope's death and the election of his successor, the day-to-day governance of the Church as a whole is in the hands of the College of Cardinals. The right to enter the conclave of cardinals who elect the pope is now limited to those not over 80 years old on the day of the pope's death.

The term "cardinal" at one time applied to any priest permanently assigned or incardinated to a church,[1] or specifically to the senior priest of an important church, based on the Latin cardo (hinge), meaning "principal" or "chief". The term was applied in this sense as early as the ninth century to the priests of the tituli (parishes) of the diocese of Rome.[1] In the twelfth century the practice of appointing ecclesiastics from outside Rome as cardinals began, with each of them being assigned a church in Rome as his titular church, or being linked with one of the suburbicarian dioceses, while still being incardinated in a diocese other than Rome.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 05:46:51 PM »
I have long been confused about Cardinals in Roman Catholicism.

What exactly are their roles/purpose?

Does Orthodoxy have anything similar?

Traditionally there was such a position, the office of the chartophylax, it was generally held by a deacon but he was effectively the President Pro Tempore of the Synod of Constantinople and generally presided over the grand council of the Patriarch, he held as a vicar most the authorities of the Patriarch. In cases, he could function as a priest and in the processions and ceremonies in the cities he took precedence over all Priests, Bishops, and Metropolitans save the Oecumenical Patriarch (this Right was, at one time, challenged by the Bishops who objected to a deacon taking liturgical precedence over them, but it was upheld and codified into law in 1094 by the Emperor Alexius I Comnenus, which was an Imperial ratification of the ruling of the Synod of Constantinople (at this time the Church and State were still required to ratify laws passed by the other entity, though by the 13th century this formality would be eliminated)). The chartophylax had the right to act in the place of the Patriarch in event of the Patriarch's absence from a location or situation.

Of course, this was an authority comparable (or at times exceeding) to that of the cardinals at the height of their authority, but unlike the cardinals he did not vote for the successor to the patriarch (though he would have presided over the synod that did vote).
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Re: Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 05:55:21 PM »
I guess we might say that where the Catholics have their Cardinals, the Orthodox have their Orioles.

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Re: Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 06:10:05 PM »
First, what is a Cardinal:

Cardinal is a title of honor that makes one a member of the College of Cardinals, which is to assist the Pope and elect his successor.  Once upon a time there were Cardinal Deacons and Cardinal Priests in addition to the Cardinal Archbishops that one sees now. 

You can still see them. Avery Cardinal Dulles, for example, is only a priest. You're right, though, they are almost always archbishops today.
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Re: Does Orthodoxy have anything similar to Cardinals?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 06:35:14 PM »
Of course, this was an authority comparable (or at times exceeding) to that of the cardinals at the height of their authority, but unlike the cardinals he did not vote for the successor to the patriarch (though he would have presided over the synod that did vote). 

Exceeding is quite right.  But really, outside of one position at the EP, there really isn't anything similar.
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